How good was Chael Sonnen at his peak?

[Gamer2k4]

That's like the most simpleton take you can have. Simpleton even by sherdog standards.

A guy who beats two to5 ers and losses to the champ has a ratio of 2:1 yet how retarded you have to be to call that "average"

Well sure, we can all use incredibly unrealistic scenarios to make bad points. I guess by that line of reasoning a guy with three losses, but then a title victory at three separate weight classes is also average, despite being the world's first ever triple-champ.

No one fighting for the UFC title is going to have only two MMA fights on their record, and any UFC fighter with a record of 2-1 to start their career should rightfully, at that particular time, be considered average. But the key here is that context of "UFC fighter" (which is also the context I gave in my original post). Your average fighter in the UFC isn't going to have a lot of losses on their record; otherwise they wouldn't be in the UFC. Because of that, what's "average" in the UFC is going to still be better than what's "average" overall. Someone going 20-10 in the UFC is probably still better than all but a few dozen people on the planet. But by UFC standards, they're nothing special.

 

[pankrat]

Well sure, we can all use incredibly unrealistic scenarios to make bad points. I guess by that line of reasoning a guy with three losses, but then a title victory at three separate weight classes is also average, despite being the world's first ever triple-champ.

No one fighting for the UFC title is going to have only two MMA fights on their record, and any UFC fighter with a record of 2-1 to start their career should rightfully, at that particular time, be considered average. But the key here is that context of "UFC fighter" (which is also the context I gave in my original post). Your average fighter in the UFC isn't going to have a lot of losses on their record; otherwise they wouldn't be in the UFC. Because of that, what's "average" in the UFC is going to still be better than what's "average" overall. Someone going 20-10 in the UFC is probably still better than all but a few dozen people on the planet. But by UFC standards, they're nothing special.

I mean, you can use the term "average" by its literal meaning attached to the ratio in his record and go with it.. Yes, you can. It's also VOID, and definitely doesnt refflect the career of Sonnen. Yes, even by UFC standards.

The fact of the matter is that Sonnen is the only fighter to make not one but two runs to a tittle shot during Silva's reign, apart from being who pushed the greatest MW of all-time in Silva the most, among all his tittle defenses.

That alone shows that not only Sonnen wasnt average by UFC standards, he was above avergae even by top UFC contenders standards ¡!

 

[BjPenn2017]

Took down pretty much everyone he fought, weakness was (legit) BJJ black belts. Guys like Cannonier, Costa and Till stand no chance cause they aren’t stopping his TD and they aren’t subbing him.

Chael also low key developed a pretty good sub/bjj game later in his career, if he had done that sooner he probably would’ve won and held the belt for awhile.

 

[marvinparsons]

Chael is one of those PED users that seemed to REALLY benefit from them. There's no way he would have had cardio like that without them given how much wrestling he did.

It was like Lance Armstrong in that he didn't look winded at all . Made no sense.

 

[nonoob]

No one ever beat Chael on the mic.​