how easy is it for a bjj guy to pick up judo?

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  1. gracie_barra**

    gracie_barra** Purple Belt

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    a bjj guy with minimal throw experience , but some breakfall training? is it as easy as say for a wrestler to pick up bjj, or a judo guy to pick up bjj?
     
  2. Happy Boy

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    Id say its hard, breaking their balance to throw them takes a long long time to not only begin to master, but to make it something you dont have to think about any more. A BJJ'er would have to start from scratch with that if they had never done judo before, and judo without that is tiring, injury ridden, and to be honest, not much fun.
     
  3. Happy Boy

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    Id say its hard, breaking their balance to throw them takes a long long time to not only begin to master, but to make it something you dont have to think about any more. A BJJ'er would have to start from scratch with that if they had never done judo before, and judo without that is tiring, injury ridden, and to be honest, not much fun.
     
  4. Joose

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    it would be hard, but it also depends on the person doing it. It will take a lot of time to start getting good. Learning to break someones balance and throw them is very hard to do. Try it out and see how you like it, it can only improve your jujitsu game.
     
  5. damit2hell

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    i found the transition pretty easy, but i also played a ton of american football and that helped my balance and posture and all that
     
  6. codemonkey76

    codemonkey76 Black Belt

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    i guess it also depends on how much your BJJ gym trains stand-up, we nearly always learn a stand up technique and maybe 2 ground techniques per class, but start rolling from the knees (although i normally get at least one standing match in after class)
     
  7. IChinaManI

    IChinaManI Green Belt

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    I fucking hated judo and used it as an excuse to roll when i started. I found the throws cool, but my heart laid in groundfighting. However after a while and a few tournies, I started to love it to no end. All the mechanics of throwing, and the appreciation of the perfectly excuted kazushi, into an effortless throw that demolishes your opponent is just beautiful imo. Judo may not be what you like at first, but you'll soon find things can change rather quickly. Once I came back after the summer to do judo, I just fell in love with it. As for how easy it is to pick it up, I would say that bjj guys would probably have an easier time picking it up than a wrestler imo. Not to say wrestlers don't pick it up well, they do, but a bjj guy most likely would pick it up faster. The grips fighting, and ground game will transfer over well. However the stand up (aside from double, single legs etc) will be hard and tenuous to learn if you don't understand the phases and mechanics of throwing. That being said, judo is the other half of the game bjj guys need to improve their game tenfold, and vice versa for judo guys.
     
  8. judogido

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    OK - in all honesty it will probably be harder for a BJJer going to judo than vice versa.

    Judo can have a steep-ish learning curve. To pick it up faster you need to have good natural balance and co-ordination.

    When you are kneeling or lying on your back such as in BJJ, there is less natural ability needed to become competent. I'm not saying that as a put-down to BJJ - actually it is a complement - the style is effective for all you uncoordinated bastards - you don't always have to rely on genetic gifts.

    A wrestler will overcome these problems faster - they just have to adjust their posture and come to terms with using the gi. Just like a judoka has to come to terms with going to a wrestling place and having no handles.
     
  9. Hammer Time

    Hammer Time Brown Belt

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    it takes a long ass time to even be able to do a few throws proficiently. ground fighting has a faster progress rate imo. bjj guys would of course pick up judo well but they need the patience to master the standup game. i plan on going back to bjj after judo season is done and i love the idea of cross training.
     
  10. Hammer Time

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    any strong bjj guys im sure any judo club would like to have you. hopefully judo guys are welcome in bjj schools cuz i plan to join bjj soon.
     
  11. georgejjr

    georgejjr Black Belt

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    Depends, as always, on the BJJ guy. If you're basically athletic, with good balance, you'll learn quickly. Judo requires more athletic ability than BJJ. I get flamed when I say this on judo sites, but its true. (Same is true for wrestling and BJJ btw). Throws and takedowns are more dynamic, more sensitive on timing than groundwork - BJJ is a science, you play it like chess going moves ahead. Judo is an art, things happen very quickly and if you don't react instantly and correctly its over. You can't plan more than one combo ahead because too many things change too quickly - your moves have to be trained to be instinctive, there's no time to adapt in the middle of a fight.

    BJJ you can still do fairly well into your 40's. By your 40's in judo your reflexes are too slow to compete at anything close to a high (ie international) level - you're in the air before you even start to react. Both are great though, and complement each other. Doing both will help you in both judo and BJJ.
     
  12. Cirno

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    Agreed.

    In the ground game, a kimura is a kimura, triangle is a triangle and that's it. The moves don't change, only the angle of attack and application.

    Standup is a whole different beast when it comes to judo. Learning throws is like getting fitted for an expensive business suit; you need to use throws that fit your own bodytype and personal style and it takes a while to find those for yourself.

    Case in point: I, for the life of me, cannot do classical tai otoshi. I just can't seem to get my back leg that low enough. So, to actually do tai otoshi, I modified the throw to incorporate more upper body rotation to get the guy over my legs. Same goes for harai goshi; my jacked-up hips make it hard for me to move my legs so I throw my harais like it was o-guruma.

    That's why we judoka are always drilling the standup; we're trying to perfect that throw to suit our needs.

    Don't let that discourage you from doing judo, though. I suggest picking up Judo Unleashed and picking out throws that you'd like to do. Then approach your judo sensei and ask him or her if they think the throw is right for you. They should be happy to work something out for you.
     
  13. ShanghaiBJJ

    ShanghaiBJJ Brown Belt

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    Some great answers in this thread.

    Can't wait to get into the Judo dojo to finally start crosstraining.

    Gotta buy a new and shiny whitebelt first though.
     
  14. Nickynoneck

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    I think if you go in with an open mind and act like you have done nothing and forget bjj then stand up will come quicker the only advice i would give you is dont say " well in bjj we do this "

    cuz people will get tired of that quick .
     
  15. Lion Killer

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    Ive been training BJJ (no-gi) for little more than 1 and a half years now and started doing Judo in December. I seem to be picking it up rather quick, it certainly helps that if you know you mess up a throw and fall to the ground you have the ability to turn the tables and submit them or escape to a better position.

    All the throws seem to make sense to me in a weird sort of way except for Sode Tsuri Komi Ashi. The way they're teaching it is weird as hell. I've been working on my Uchi-Mata for a month now and I'm finally starting to nail people with it. Actually got my first judo tournament on saturday.

    Anyways, I suggest you do Judo on top of your BJJ, you definitely won't regret it.
     
  16. anaconda

    anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    If you look at bjj as just submissions you are right. However, theres a *little* more to it than "a kimura is a kimura" etc. While that may be true, bjj also depends heavily on body type. Some guys cant play much open guard, some guys love spider and de la riva guard, some guys love butterfly and half. Your whole bjj game is dependent on your body style, the only thing is that any body style can adapt to a certain game.

    I think its the same way with judo. Also, I think someone who has a great grasp on the concepts of bjj will be able to transition fairly easily (not quickly, perhaps, but easily). Sweeping someone is just as much about off balancing as throwing - and you do it from a lower center of gravity. I dont think its harder than throwing, but it relies on the same concepts.

    If you understand the basics of how to move, creating space to sweep, etc, i think someone who is aware of themselves can transition well.
     
  17. armtriangle

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    about as easily as someone with no grappling experience.
     
  18. georgejjr

    georgejjr Black Belt

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    Sorry, just not true. Even ignoring the huge benefit of the BJJ ground game, any kind of grappling strengthens your sense of balance and stabilizer strength, which are vital in judo.
     
  19. Q mystic

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    To pick up like a wrestler? No.

    To learn and become better? Yes, easier than for a wrestler joining judo even imo.

    Give an equal in time with a bjjer and a wrestler and Ill be sure to give you a better thrower in judo from a bjjer inside of a few years. Initially the wrestler will win with the dynamics of wrestling in judo, but later the bjjer will be throwing the wrestler in judo.

    In crosstraining its easy to say one will pick up quicker but that don't mean shit in just a few years. Assuming you would be an ingrained wrestler or bjjer...the bjjer will have less bad habits to break and will end up with a wider game. The wrestler is most difficult to teach anything else.

    Just listen heavily to the coach and DO when (a) he says when to relax (b) when to stand up more upright (c) stay with traditional grips.. and judo will come much quicker on stand. Its a basic posture that you will work around in judo and you need to get that.

    You prolly got the newaza basics:) but listening to him might give you some wrestling type style down there.. and might not.

    P.S. nobody picks up anything like a judoka does bjj or wrestling.:) lol..tru tho...add mma.:icon_chee
     

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