How early do mma fighters start learning mma?

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Watching Garcia/Tank, I thought it was crazy how Tank started boxing at 5 years old and Ryan Garcia started boxing at 7 and they both had 200+ amateur wins before they turned pro.
It seems that most ufc fighters start after 20. Do we think we'd see a higher level of mma if they started at an earlier age?
 
Erick Silva started training MMA when he was 2 years old.

Khabib started training against bears when he was 9

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Watching Garcia/Tank, I thought it was crazy how Tank started boxing at 5 years old and Ryan Garcia started boxing at 7 and they both had 200+ amateur wins before they turned pro.
It seems that most ufc fighters start after 20. Do we think we'd see a higher level of mma if they started at an earlier age?

No. We will soon see guys like that, if not already. It's kinda hard to say off the top of my head, but guys like Mckee Jr probably started out really young, not sure that young.

But no, I doubt it'd be any different.
 
Guys like Shore probably started real young too. For example, he started training kickboxing at 6, then MMA at 12. Guys like Usman and Umar are probably like that, and probably tons of guys coming up.

I don't think they are really going to be any different though just because of the fact they started younger.

And it doesn't have to be that young either in boxing. Pacman started when he was 12.
 
Watching Garcia/Tank, I thought it was crazy how Tank started boxing at 5 years old and Ryan Garcia started boxing at 7 and they both had 200+ amateur wins before they turned pro.
It seems that most ufc fighters start after 20. Do we think we'd see a higher level of mma if they started at an earlier age?

Most fighters start with a different martial art, before MMA. You gotta remember MMA is a combination of several arts, boxing is just one art. Plenty of wrestlers that have gone into MMA also started wrestling at a very young age, for example, and have had hundreds of amateur wrestling bouts too. I reckon you should know that though, going by your username.
 
Watching Garcia/Tank, I thought it was crazy how Tank started boxing at 5 years old and Ryan Garcia started boxing at 7 and they both had 200+ amateur wins before they turned pro.
It seems that most ufc fighters start after 20. Do we think we'd see a higher level of mma if they started at an earlier age?


Well what counts as "learning MMA" Ya know? Because a lot of these guys began picking up a martial art at 5-10 years old and were very talented and hopped around to others and began competing etc. By the time Khabib was 20 he was a Pankration champion, Sambo champion, Hand to Hand combat champion and had competed a ton in freestyle and trained extensively in Judo. Even Kyler Phillips, Sage Northcutt etc. A lot of these prospects I follow now are beginning their amateur careers around 14-16 years old pretty commonly and having 6-10+ amateur fights then turning pro. But they weren't new to combat sports at 14 a lot of the time, you get me?

It's the evolution of MMA right now, starting at a much younger age and having amateur experience before even turning 18 so you're aptly prepared for your debut. Khabib recruited Islam to train with his father when they were in 6th and 8th grade or something like that and both had already been training and competing before then too. Similarly with Umar and Usman. MMA is very multifaceted and I'd argue more athletically demanding than boxing, so it's not the same plus things like Wrestling, Judo, Kicking are way harder on your body than boxing other than cognitively. Bodies don't hold up the same in Mma as they do in boxing.

Anyways it's already happening, most of these guys aren't starting at 20 anymore. A lot of amateur fights and smokers also go undocumented. I could dig up dozens of examples too. And again, a lot of these guys started wrestling as young kids.
 
Only the Combat Sambo guys start as early as boxers and even then it’s probably sport Sambo until they turn a certain age
 
Wrestlers very obviously do, most Sambo guys don't start with Sambo, they start with wrestling or Judo and then navigate to Sambo. Or even start with Sanda or Karate.
I’m aware that it’s common in Soviet block to do Sambo if you weren’t too successful as a wrestler but I waa talking about the MMA training angle since amateur combat Sambo is the closest thing to it and many practitioners started young as opposed to wrestlers who learned MMA in their later years
 
Sambo is pretty much MMA with a Gi, and those guys typically start when they're pretty young.

In the mid 2000's, "MMA" pretty much became its own martial art and a lot of kids were training in it like you would Karate or Tae Kwon Do.

Lastly, a lot of specialists start young (if you want to call it that). Lots of BJJ athletes and wrestlers are learning and competing from a very young age.
 
I’m aware that it’s common in Soviet block to do Sambo if you weren’t too successful as a wrestler but I waa talking about the MMA training angle since amateur combat Sambo is the closest thing to it and many practitioners started young as opposed to wrestlers who learned MMA in their later years

Oh my apologies, I see what you're saying now in that Sambo is virtually amateur MMA so Sambo guys start young.
 
Watching Garcia/Tank, I thought it was crazy how Tank started boxing at 5 years old and Ryan Garcia started boxing at 7 and they both had 200+ amateur wins before they turned pro.
It seems that most ufc fighters start after 20. Do we think we'd see a higher level of mma if they started at an earlier age?
Really early...
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This dude is ducking & weaving and aiming for his target. 1 punch blow he's going for. Must be on Costa juice:-)
 
Watching Garcia/Tank, I thought it was crazy how Tank started boxing at 5 years old and Ryan Garcia started boxing at 7 and they both had 200+ amateur wins before they turned pro.
It seems that most ufc fighters start after 20. Do we think we'd see a higher level of mma if they started at an earlier age?
4am.

So pretty early
 
I'd say the new generation of females mostly started their main martial art very young, single digit young. The days of a Lauren Murphy taking her kid to a class and thinking "that looks fun" are on the way out.
 
@hswrestler Here's some current examples. Lets keep in mind, amateur MMA in most places is restricted to 15/16+ and 18+ years of age even still in some palces, there's exceptions and places where things are more lax, also loopholes like "mixed rules bouts" or "juniors bouts" which still are often limited to 14+. Consider when I fought a decade ago, 18+ for amateur was the standard and my birthday was January, I took my first fight in February. Sanctioned or legitimate amateur shows used to be 18+ same as professional, it was tough to get guys cleared at a younger age Comparing MMA to Boxing is tough, wrestling and judo are so tough on the body and then adding kicks, knees and punches...I am skeptical we will ever see amateur MMA fighters with 300 bouts like boxers.

Lewis McGrillen-Evans made amateur debut at 16 and went 8-1 before going pro at 20, a quick search shows me he began training at 14 years old or younger.

Cezary Oleksiejczuk made amateur debut at 14 years old and went 24-7, he's now 11-2 professional. I have to imagine he was training before the age of 14 as well.

Muhammed Mokaev made his amateur debut at 15 years old and went 23-0, he's now 9-0-1 professional at 22 years old, we know he wrestled some in Dagestan and began wrestling actively at 13 in the UK once he and his father moved there.

Kyler Phillips began doing BJJ at 3 years old, by 12 he began competing in Pankration tournaments (similar to Sambo kind of), at 14 he won the Judo california state championship, at 15 he was a IBJJF Blue belt champion and he wrestled all 4 years through highschool making it to states in his division. He was in MMA gyms growing up and made his amateur debut at 18 after highschool and pro debut at 20.

Rei Tsuruya basically grew up in his fathers MMA gyms in Japan, he was wrestling at a national level in Japan through highschool making it to the cadet world championships and winning national titles in Greco Roman while also competing in amateur MMA, the earliest I can find is 15 years old but I know he had several amateur MMA bouts from interviews before turning pro at 18 years old.

Raul Rosas Jr grew up with a father who was a boxing coach so training in boxing wasn't foreign to him from adolescence, he began competing in both wrestling and pankration at at least Middleschool age 13 or younger and took his amateur MMA debut at 15 and was competing in grappling tournaments around this age as well.

Max Holloway Made his amateur MMA debut at 14 years old and his amateur kickboxing debut at 15 years old, going 6-1 in MMA and unknown in his amateur kickboxing bouts, Max going pro at 18 years old.

Arnold Allen made his amateur debut at 16 years old going 4-0 and 3-0 in kickboxing before going pro at 18. It's well documented that Allen found his way into an MMA gym at around 14 years old.

Lyoto Machida began training in Shotokan at age 3 and Sumo at age 8 where he competed for over a decade in both, he had trained Judo sometime after this and began training out of boxing and BJJ academies by 16 years old and at around 19 he went to live in Thailand to further train striking and then lived in Japan where he trained with MMA teams and catch wrestling before finally beginning his MMA career at 24 years old.

There's a fuck ton honestly, it's super common. 10-15 years ago it was more common guys 18-25 years old would pick up MMA and turn pro quickly, many with no real background to speak of but also...there were loads of guys like Lyoto back then too who were life long competitors and martial artists. It hasn't just become "more common" but in modern day MMA it's basically standard that if guys aren't crossing over from a different background like Bo, Fiziev, Beneil etc that they are starting their career/training in MMA specifically at 18 years or younger, ESPECIALLY at below 185lbs. Even cross over athletes, it's becoming more rare that guys like Alex Pereira, Cedric Doumbe, Jordan Oliver etc will cross over in their late 20s or older and see any kind of high level success too...Typically it's guys like Bo crossing over at 24, Izzy and Fiziev crossing over by 23 etc. MMA has a very deep talent pool these days and it's still growing which is forcing guys to start younger by nature. Even in places like the UK...Their best MMA wrestlers like Grundy and Pickett have opened their own gyms and UK gyms have begun recruiting Caucasians so that their guys will have strong wrestler/grapplers to work with. Shit's just evolving, there's more promotions, more money, more fame, more countries in the game. Most MMA fighters don't begin MMA at 20 anymore and it will never be like that again. Cross over world class combat athletes aren't "starting" either, it's not really comparable to boxing in that sense but guys like Vitali Klitschko and Mairis Briedis (who Stephen Thompson beat) crossed over as adults from kickboxing and became reigning champions....It does happen but MMA is so multifaceted it's just not a reasonable comparison.
 
MMA hasn't been around nearly as long as boxing so it makes complete sense that far fewer fighters have trained MMA since being a child.

I think in 20 or so years the fighters will be so much better then they are now and because of this I see there being far fewer dominant champions in the future.
 
MMA hasn't been around nearly as long as boxing so it makes complete sense that far fewer fighters have trained MMA since being a child.

I think in 20 or so years the fighters will be so much better then they are now and because of this I see there being far fewer dominant champions in the future.

I think the growth of MMA in the Caucasus and Central Asia where there's such a huge fight culture and wrestling is a cultural norm of men growing up is going to have a huge impact in MMA over the next 10 years and drive the standard of the sport up highly. Places like Kazakhstan and Tajikistan are producing absurd talent but are similar to Dagestan 2012 where these guys grew up in Freestyle, competed in Sambo, Hand to hand combat, boxing gyms, Judo etc but MMA is new promotions are just starting to open up in their countries or near them to make it a realistic path and gyms are just starting to open up with successful pro teams and international travel to train abroad connections are just starting to form. The fact that countries like Uzbekistan and Georgia haven't even really caught on with MMA yet despite both being the elite of the elite when it comes to combat sports is telling too.

MMA has grown so much in Dagestan and Chechnya these guys still grow up wrestling but they're doing amateur MMA and Sambo now, some Sambo tournaments are literally held in rings and just under MMA rules now. MMA has become a huge sport in these areas. Just the kinda talent I'm staring to see from Central Asia and the AMOUNT of high level talent pouring out of Dagestan. It hasn't peaked yet and it's going to force others to level up.
 
In Ex-Soviet countries, kids start different martial arts from early childhood. Tis normal. Some kids start Sambo immediately, it's not that uncommon. Some sign up later, after years of learning something else, like wrestling or karate, tis true.
 
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