How do Pro fighters afford so much 1on1 training?

[SandisLL]

cutmen generally work an event and will charge a flat rate per fight or be payed by the promoter

Tnx.
Doesn't depends $ charged by cutmen form scheduled rounds and level of fight ( like if he had good exp in Continental and World level title fights ) or from his qualificiation on paper?

I for example know some gentlemans, one had been proved in approx 10 World title level fights ( pro boxing and pro KB ) and he I think had won one world title fight by some 50% ...​

Another is M.D with cert and lic and he really is beautiful.
Third is leser well known and still he isn't bad.

While pros if weren't enough well known in am ranks usually are earning not much for their first fights and ofc gym etc can't get normal sums for such fights.
Live gates income IMHO in my area sadly are almost done since covid era....


How do you think, will income from live gates for medium and small hall shows increase ?

 

[SandisLL]

About teams too not always all is so cool.
Ofc pro fighters not rare cases are delusional but the same also happens with managers and teams etc...

I know enough cases.
Some from most painful: so called " prospect " was good am KBer. For continental level medalist etc...barely lost to some world level medalists...
They not only turned him into a pro boxer, his manager was good to feed him too heavily mismatched opponents as guys in away corner.
Lad actually in reality had degraded despite racked nice looking pro boxing record...

Next example: not bad handling and training...
Guy had been even used to spar with guys preparing for world title fights...
They assumed that he better will perform in lower weight class.
While if it is possible to make weight in and perform well it is usually correct choice here it looks that wasn't cos he can't stop guy in distance anymore...in this weight class.
One from his ' handlers' even is openly dreaming how to feed him to one undefeated lad with 100% wins with stoppage in pro ranks vs normal (!) opponents.

There ofc are cases when gym and manager/ promoter really are normal with guy and still shit happens.
This is game with a lot of variables.

I don't mean even just only champ...
It isn't easy to rack up pro boxer till just top 50... cos in each weight class divison are 1000-2000+ boxers and enough high number of them are well financed...

 

[Yep]

And I haven’t read this whole thread yet but I mean this happens in all major US pro sports. Can’t speak for sports in other countries. But to get to the top of any sport in this country and to stay at the top, pros look to all sorts of different gurus and/or trainers. Now the taking of a percentage is more likely a combat sports kind of thing.

 

[Dexter]

Class training is the blind leading the blind

To get anywhere you need that one on work.

I disagree here, Shin. It really depends on coaches qualification and how developed the training program for newbies is. In my opinion, starting with 101 is counter-productive, especially for kids. Group classes help the coach to find out who’s actually up for training and not just fucking around for the sake of their friends/parents.
Just 2 cents of my personal experience.

 

[Sinister]

^I agree

 

[JohnPJones]

Reading through this seems like all martial arts/combat sports places that don’t sell out to mcdojo levels struggle pay their coaches/ instructors well.

i worked as martial arts director and the instructor, at a local athletic facility that made their primary focus on gymnastics and what not.

i made like $15.50/hr there and that included teaching parkour, tamp/tumbling, and supervising open gym. If I had just taught martial arts it would have only been like $12/hr.

I saw a franchise school (posted about it here awhile ago) that was paying $45k/year to their head instructors, but they were pure mcdojo.

applied at another place a while back as well, but they were only offering $13/hr. I presume my demand for $17/hr is why I didn’t get hired lol.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Reading through this seems like all martial arts/combat sports places that don’t sell out to mcdojo levels struggle pay their coaches/ instructors well.

i worked as martial arts director and the instructor, at a local athletic facility that made their primary focus on gymnastics and what not.

i made like $15.50/hr there and that included teaching parkour, tamp/tumbling, and supervising open gym. If I had just taught martial arts it would have only been like $12/hr.

I saw a franchise school (posted about it here awhile ago) that was paying $45k/year to their head instructors, but they were pure mcdojo.

applied at another place a while back as well, but they were only offering $13/hr. I presume my demand for $17/hr is why I didn’t get hired lol.

the sweet spot is mcdojo marketing, branding and sales for your real, proper combat sports program. I’m starting to see some Muay Thai gyms pull it off and it’s fantastic

 

[JohnPJones]

the sweet spot is mcdojo marketing, branding and sales for your real, proper combat sports program. I’m starting to see some Muay Thai gyms pull it off and it’s fantastic

Yeah, I think the hardest part of that is you have to be the first in your area to get there unless you’re in a real big city.

not that many people who want to train that hard/seriously, who can afford.

meanwhile there can be 10 mcdojos in a town of 150,000 people

 

[DoctorTaco]

Yeah, I think the hardest part of that is you have to be the first in your area to get there unless you’re in a real big city.

not that many people who want to train that hard/seriously, who can afford.

meanwhile there can be 10 mcdojos in a town of 150,000 people

if you do it better than the other guys then you can succeed, IMO. You have to give the people what they want- fitness, self confidence, and community.

 

[JohnPJones]

if you do it better than the other guys then you can succeed, IMO. You have to give the people what they want- fitness, self confidence, and community.

Sure do it better, but not just better but much better.
You have to market much better, you have to brand much better, you have to provide much better classes and customer service if you’re not the first.

most people are creatures of habit, and if the first place they go is good enough most will stick with it, unless they hear from people they really know and trust that the new place is much better.

there is value in being first.
Also you have to do it much better while maintaining a competitive price. If you’re doing things much better but you’re charging 45% more might not matter much to most people if you have better classes and better customer service if their current place is $100/month and you’re charging $145/month they’re getting good enough to make them content for much less.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Sure do it better, but not just better but much better.
You have to market much better, you have to brand much better, you have to provide much better classes and customer service if you’re not the first.

most people are creatures of habit, and if the first place they go is good enough most will stick with it, unless they hear from people they really know and trust that the new place is much better.

there is value in being first.

no argument here amigo

 

[SandisLL]

My friends had some failures with lads and it was painful.
One gym...
They had lad with decent am background and legit wiki page and IOC profile and medals etc easily to google up profiles and bunch with results.
While looks that he had racked too high number of am fights ( more than 270 ) under belt and didn't looked that he wanted to coninue to be a pro. If I remember he was 2-0-0 or 3-0-0 pro and might be easily sold to Top Rank etc like stuff.
Guy just was tired and there wife and daily stuff.

Another guy they had was damn marketable: nice looking, really good english and might had been polite and friendly + if needed might do shittalk without too sharp insults etc....
While there lionesses: girls....
He paid $$$ to gym and was polite and talented... maybe not future champ but some top 50 level he might had reached...
If he wasn't nice looking athletic and still polite guy usable for restaurant, opera and clubs for nice young lionesses....

 

[shincheckin]

if you do it better than the other guys then you can succeed, IMO. You have to give the people what they want- fitness, self confidence, and community.

Giving them what they want

Telling them what they want to hear

 

[DoctorTaco]

Giving them what they want

Telling them what they want to hear

you can do one without the other