How do guys like Khabib and Islam compare to high level BJJ grapplers?

[Arrrrgh]

They'd get subbed pretty quickly by a healthy Gordon Ryan.
But so would everyone who has ever competed in bjj tourneys... so yeah.

 

[djason1988]

Naga gets plenty of blackbelts at adult expert. Even my professors who do pro matches will occasionally pop into a Naga between big tournaments. Its a huge misconception that competitive black belts don't do small tournaments. They don't do them OFTEN.

Now if we're talking the absolute best of the best that's a different story.

Sounds like maybe a regional difference then. Where I'm at, there's tons of professional opportunities, and even purple and browns aren't really competing at naga level stuff anymore.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Not gonna explain it again. Tired. Had a shit weekend. Just use Google.

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Yeah I just wonder if that's correct

 

[Slatersan]

Bro, they're getting on what you said, because in one sentence you mentioned that Khabib won a specific tourney really easily, and in the next sentence you said that he could hang with top level black belts really easily. Whether you meant it or not, it read as if what your were saying in your first sentence was intended to support the second.

Lol I see that. That’s why I was clarifying what I meant.

I edited it with paragraphs.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Yeah I just wonder if that's correct

They only do it at their big tournaments. The one Khabib did was Naga world championships which is obviously their biggest one.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Sounds like maybe a regional difference then. Where I'm at, there's tons of professional opportunities, and even purple and browns aren't really competing at naga level stuff anymore.

Theres good pro opportunities over here from my understanding. Lot of guys here do Fight 2 Win for pro matches. My team's coaches travel for the big stuff (ibjjf, AJP, ADCC, etc), does the F2W near by in Dallas, and then do like 2 local tournaments a year. Generally they only do the locals if the whole comp team is going (gotta get some team trophies for the display case).

Where are you at? Cali area?

 

[Heraclitus]

They'd get subbed pretty quickly by a healthy Gordon Ryan.
But so would everyone who has ever competed in bjj tourneys... so yeah.

So where is Gordon Ryan, besides hiding behind the Internet?

If he was worth AF, he would compete in MMA.

"Sport jujitsu" is effeminate compared to MMA ...

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Straight grappling - I'd say they don't compare.

Until either one does high a level tournament - acdd, ibjjf - and wins I'll be skeptical on what they can do in a straight grappling sense as compared to the high level BJJ guys.

MMA grappling their style is superior to most as they have strong takedowns and top control - throw in G-n-P, overmatched opponents and you get what we saw last night.

 

[Arrrrgh]

So where is Gordon Ryan, besides hiding behind the Internet?

If he was worth AF, he would compete in MMA.

"Sport jujitsu" is effeminate compared to MMA ...

Lol
Dude has 150 bjj matches, 120 subs, is only 26 years old, beaten a who's who of the bjj world and you say he's hiding behind the internet?
Oh and bjj guys aren't "worth AF" unless they compete in MMA... yeah, okay.

The thread was how do these guys compare to high level bjj guys, not why don't high level bjj guys compete in mma.
I think his plan is to compete in MMA though once he gets his gastroperesis figured out. He signed with one so he could have the option to have mma fights.

 

[Coconutwater]

Danaher already alluded to this..

He said when the Dagestani's came to Renzo's, they rolled with a couple guys and were "not very comfortable" which is code for "Soundly controlled or defeated." (Khabib didn't grapple)

Again, with no striking, you're not gonna beat elite guys, and Nicky Ryan, small as he is/was, is elite. DDS is elite.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

In MMA, no gi, even if you removed striking Khabib would decimate Garcia.

 

[DariusTheGreat]

Can you link that? I didn't know Dustin trained with Marcelo

I don't think you understand the level of BJJ prime Marcelo had, Khabib might last if he disengaged a lot. If he really went back and forth he would get tapped.

I doubt Khabib would get tapped at least not easily, and here is the link for Dustin comparing him to Marcelo.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So where is Gordon Ryan, besides hiding behind the Internet?

If he was worth AF, he would compete in MMA.

"Sport jujitsu" is effeminate compared to MMA ...

That's irrelevant, we're talking about straight grappling. In straight grappling Gordon Ryan handles Khabib, he's the best no-gi grappler of all time.

If you put strikes in there or even make it a combat jiu jitsu situation allowing for palm strikes then it can change, but the original question was straight grappling.