How did you score Gamrot vs Tsarukyan?

[PunchyMcSplodo]

i keep seeing this “damage > control” thing defending arman and it’s funny because airman’s face was wrecked and gamrot barely had a scratch on him

Brain damage > superficial damage

Gamrot opened a cut on Tsarukyan in Round 3 IIRC, which Gamrot won regardless.

Arman knocked Gamrot down in Round 4.

You're not mentioning all the obvious bruising and welting on Gamrot's body from Arman's body kicks, either, which were the hardest shots of the fight by far.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I had it 1, 2 and 5 for Arman but round 5 was extremely close.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

That's the job judges are tasked with.

effective striking is pretty straightforward. how much did the striking affect the opponent? you don’t need to guess. if nothing changed, it wasn’t very effective. still counts, but not as much as something that affects the opponent.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

effective striking is pretty straightforward. how much did the striking affect the opponent? you don’t need to guess. if nothing changed, it wasn’t very effective. still counts, but not as much as something that affects the opponent.

The person you are replying to didn't say it's a guess, he said pretty much the same thing you're saying here.

 

[ilfirin]

It was a super close fight, and frankly, I wouldn't have been particularly upset regardless of who got the decision. It truly could've gone either way.

 

[Langinbang187]

I just don't understand how you can outstrike your opponent and knock him down and still lose the round because of a takedown with zero impact

Because they're terrible.

I question the knowledge of anyone who gave Gamrot round 4 given the scoring criteria.

I thought he(Arman) won the 5th as well.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The person you are replying to didn't say it's a guess, he said pretty much the same thing you're saying here.

outside of the spinning backfist, what strikes from arman affected gamrot? the body kicks gamrot blocked? arman wasn’t able to hurt gamrot with anything else, or make him change his approach, so how was it effective?

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

outside of the spinning backfist, what strikes from arman affected gamrot? the body kicks gamrot blocked? arman wasn’t able to hurt gamrot with anything else, or make him change his approach, so how was it effective?

Gamrot didn't even come close to blocking all the body kicks, his body was clearly bruised and welted up, and some of the kicks clearly hurt him enough to make him temporarily change stance, retreat backward, etc.

Gamrot being a tough motherfucker doesn't change any of that. Plenty of fighters are known for plodding forward even when hurt much worse than what Gamrot suffered.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Gamrot didn't even come close to blocking all the body kicks, his body was clearly bruised and welted up, and some of the kicks clearly hurt him enough to make him temporarily change stance, retreat backward, etc.

Gamrot being a tough motherfucker doesn't change any of that. Plenty of fighters are known for plodding forward even when hurt much worse than what Gamrot suffered.

that’s really not that bad dude lmao arman’s left side is just as red

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

that’s really not that bad dude lmao arman’s left side is just as red

Not sure why you're posting a low res pic from the wrong angle, but Gamrot's left side was clearly red/welted as the fight progressed.

For the sake of argument, though, even if I concede this, Gamrot was the only one knocked down, and the body kicks were still clearly the hardest shots of the fight.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

outside of the spinning backfist, what strikes from arman affected gamrot? the body kicks gamrot blocked? arman wasn’t able to hurt gamrot with anything else, or make him change his approach, so how was it effective?

I wasn't making an argument for one fighter or the other, just pointing out that you seem to be confused about who you are responding to. Go back a page and look at what Lord Grey said in response to your post, he basically said the same thing you said in your reply to his post, I think you mixed him up with someone else and are now doing the same with me. I'm not debating who won cause I thought the fight was super close and could have been 48-47 either way.

 

[Kryptt]

Thought Armen won... So close on calls so all good by me.

Both guys are amazing and what a treat we were gifted!

 

[Coconutwater]

Brain damage > superficial damage

Gamrot opened a cut on Tsarukyan in Round 3 IIRC, which Gamrot won regardless.

Arman knocked Gamrot down in Round 4.

You're not mentioning all the obvious bruising and welting on Gamrot's body from Arman's body kicks, either, which were the hardest shots of the fight by far.

It’s tough bro, because as powerful and loud as those body shots were, they didn’t slow down Gamrot, in fact, based on energy levels, you’d
think Arman was the one eating those kicks.

And this is coming from a huge Tsar fan.

 

[Pious Augustus]

You can get outstruck 100 to 1 and lose the rounds. Not a great argument

what's the counter argument in this case?

 

[Habib The Eagle]

It definitely was. He hit him clean on the chin, full force, and had no base to resist or move with it and absorb the shot properly.

Yeah thats a knockdown.

 

[JKS]

Gamrot 48-47, gave him round 3,4,5

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

It’s tough bro, because as powerful and loud as those body shots were, they didn’t slow down Gamrot, in fact, based on energy levels, you’d
think Arman was the one eating those kicks.

And this is coming from a huge Tsar fan.

It was very close and fast paced, making it tough to judge in real time with no slow-mo; that's why I wouldn't call it a robbery despite Arman being the winner by the judging criteria.

Arman was more faitgued when it comes to body language, but most people assumed Gamrot probably had the better gas tank over 5 rounds, and that was more about cardio and a lot of taxing wrestling than damage.

That said, it's interesting that Arman still outstruck Gamrot in the last 2 rounds despite the fatigue.

 

[Safton]

48-47 Tsarukyan (10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 9-10). Legitimate arguments exist for either man in the last three rounds, but I felt that Arman outstruck Gamrot to a convincing degree while a lot of Gamer's TDs led to brief, empty ground control time. His greatest success was at the end of Round 4 with the back-take RNC attempt he never quite got to -- and I felt Arman had already done far more impactful damage that round with the spinning backfist and other strikes.

 

[Dr.Phil is in my closet]

Sound like you don't understand rankings

I'm sorry about your autism

 

[Lord Grey]

effective striking is pretty straightforward. how much did the striking affect the opponent? you don’t need to guess. if nothing changed, it wasn’t very effective. still counts, but not as much as something that affects the opponent.

Yes, but different judges see the same strike and the same reaction by the person receiving the strike, and then interpret its effectiveness differently. That's why having 3 judges is better than having just 1.