How come Ronda is not viewed as fondly as Royce Gracie? Does it have to do with being a woman

[Threetrees]

and for someone who was talking about lack of making a point, you have (yet) to make a real comment.

Because you're stuck on a semantic argument. I can concede to use your definition for the sake of argument and say by the way you wish to apply the term she is not a pioneer. But you're not very interested in conversation so I doubt that would do anything.

 

[Shaddows]

Because you're stuck on a semantic argument. I can concede to use your definition for the sake of argument and say by the way you wish to apply the term she is not a pioneer. But you're not very interested in conversation so I doubt that would do anything.

It seems you are the one stuck.
Your response is "you are not right, but I won't tell you why"...

Then you complain you would like to argue.... then again, that is all you are doing. You are arguing without putting ANY form or argument... which means you are not really interested in a debate, you are just attempting to claim I am wrong, but without adding anything to it.

SO either you are just flat out lying, and you have no argument or you are just being a dick.

You said you wanted a good debate. Now you run from it.

 

[Threetrees]

It seems you are the one stuck.
Your response is "you are not right, but I won't tell you why"...

Then you complain you would like to argue.... then again, that is all you are doing. You are arguing without putting ANY form or argument... which means you are not really interested in a debate, you are just attempting to claim I am wrong, but without adding anything to it.

SO either you are just flat out lying, and you have no argument or you are just being a dick.

You said you wanted a good debate. Now you run from it.

What? I didn't say you were wrong. And then I said I would concede your point about pioneering.

 

[Shaddows]

What? I didn't say you were wrong. And then I said I would concede your point about pioneering.

yes, then you complete "I am not very interested in conversation", and yet here I am, responding after you said you wanted a conversation.

You are the one not making many arguments for a fun debate...

 

[Threetrees]

yes, then you complete "I am not very interested in conversation", and yet here I am, responding after you said you wanted a conversation.

You are the one not making many arguments for a fun debate...

Okay then I amend my point to say "Ronda was a transformative figure for female martial arts, with regards to its mass exposure as well as opportunities for pay in bigger markets with bigger audiences"

 

[Shaddows]

Okay then I amend my point to say "Ronda was a transformative figure for female martial arts, with regards to its mass exposure as well as opportunities for pay in bigger markets with bigger audiences"

OK, but I say this was circumstantial at best.

WMMA fighters fighting for almost no pay before her were the ones paving the way for her.
The girls from Pride were pioneers.
The women from StrikeForce were pioneers.
She came AFTER Gina, who was the one pretty enough to get US Male to watch WMMA.

She was merely at the right place at the right time. This is nothing she really did herself, it basically happened to her.
I see absolutely no merit to it.

And comparing her to Royce? I mean do you even understand the humongous difference here?

Besides, she was a prick. Royce was confident, but not a prick!
Royce is royalty. Ronda is unworthy of being mentioned anywhere close to a Gracie.

 

[Threetrees]

Besides, she was a prick. Royce was confident, but not a prick!
Royce is royalty. Ronda is unworthy of being mentioned anywhere close to a Gracie.

This is a good point, which is why anyone who had made it I haven't argued.

My question was did it also have to do with WMMA not being particularly well liked. If you dont think that's a factor I understand

Also I think my title was changed because this thread was merged. Cant remember though

 

[Guy LeDouche]

She is not the first female Mixed martial artist.
She just happens to be the first one who became mainstream.
It would be a better comparison to say Chuck Liddell or even Conor. A polarizing media figure who happened to bring eyes to the sport.
A pioneer to women’s MMA?
No.

 

[boss429]

Rhonda is like the first Mickey Mouse cartoons in the 1920s. It wasn’t good, it doesn’t hold up, but it was first and a pioneer. There just wasn’t much to compete with it back then.

Rhonda was a pioneer like Royce was...

I don’t really view her much different from Royce legacy wise. Just when there was talk of her beating Cain...that was odd to say the least.

How is she in anyway a pioneer like Royce?

WMMA started in 1996, 3 years after UFC 1, had its own organization in Japan starting in the early 2000's and there was even an all female PPV in America in 2006 or 07.

All of this happened long before anyone had ever heard the name "Ronda Rousey" but somehow she is considered a "Pioneer" if the sport, lol, even most of her opponents had been fighting for years before her.

Fuck, her friend Shyana Baszler (who was on said PPV) is more of a "pioneer" than Ronda and Magumi Fujii was a much more dominant champion long before Ronda.

This is a big reason for the dislike IMO, the credit she receives for something she was not.

 

[julmma]

The truth is that she treated almost all of her opponents with respect, minus Miesha and Bethe (a minor weigh in scuffle and a post on IG doesn't really count unless you're 13 so I don't count Holly in there).
That's two opponents she had a real problem with. Out of 13 opponents total in her career.

It's getting weird when people have to make shit up just so they can continue hating on someone.

Totally agree!

It’s funny because those two you named; have had problems with most of the wmma fighters. Bethe doesn’t seems to give a sh*t about the sport in general or her fan base, colleagues or whatever; and meisha has had issues with almost every wmma except Holly... but she has a nice ass so she’s praised by virgins.

 

[Private Whatley]

They both sucked. Would both get killed today. Royce couldn’t win a match without pulling hair and Ronda sucks at boxing. Not sure why anyone talks about either of them. Both really not relevant to the sport.

Ronda would still tap most of the chicks at 135. Her grappling is still miles ahead of the vast majority of WMMA fighters.

 

[IDL]

I think a lot of it has to do with a sort of gag reflex that people get when they are force fed by marketing teams.

Royce was not forced on people. He captivated people by being a smaller man who was able to use his skills to defeat larger and stronger opponents. He also introduced people to BJJ and it was a bit of a game changer.

 

[Private Whatley]

I think a lot of it has to do with a sort of gag reflex that people get when they are force fed by marketing teams.

Royce was not forced on people. He captivated people by being a smaller man who was able to use his skills to defeat larger and stronger opponents. He also introduced people to BJJ and it was a bit of a game changer.

Exactly this. Most people had no idea as to what BJJ was when Royce burst onto the scene and his success almost singlehandedly reshaped the general perception of how real fighting looks. Meanwhile with Ronda, we knew that she was coming in with a massive, massive grappling advantage over the majority of her opponents, and thanks to Royce and the early UFC’s, we knew the likely outcome when one fighter holds such a massive advantage on the mat.