How can Ronda beat Holly?

improve this, change that. ronda will defeat holly in a rematch. that's delusional thinking right there.

you can give ronda as much time as she wants and she still has nothing for holly in a rematch. holly fucked up ronda in such a dominant and convincing way, any improvements and changes that ronda makes still won't be enough.

holly is just a bad matchup for ronda and people need to accept this reality.
 
Cut the cage, don't chase and make her primary focus to take Holly down using her striking to mask takedowns/clinch. She also needs to chain her trips and throws together. On the ground I reckon Ronda has a decent chance for a submission she just needs to take her time and go for position over submission
 
mma2013 said:
improve this, change that. ronda will defeat holly in a rematch. that's delusional thinking right there.

you can give ronda as much time as she wants and she still has nothing for holly in a rematch. holly fucked up ronda in such a dominant and convincing way, any improvements and changes that ronda makes still won't be enough.

holly is just a bad matchup for ronda and people need to accept this reality.
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I agree brother but still it's interesting to think about how Ronda could win....she's obviously not gonna bust out hitherto unknown boxing skills in a rematch anyway
 
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Fluffernutter said:
Follow Askren's lead:

Accept the fact that she will not win a striking contest with Holm.

Throw zero punches during her training camp.

Learn proper striking defense only to cut off the "ring" and set up a takedown.

Get her to the ground.
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@TS great thread!!!

The above is some decent constructive stuff IMO!!!(Fluffer)

My Own opinion is that Rousey main change i repeat main change has to be finding out Hollys blueprint to defeat her!!! A lot of knowledgeable peeps agree that styles make fights. Holly Style was cryptonite for Rousey. In Boxing Kell Brook Style was Difficult for Shawn Porter and Lara's Style was difficult for Canelo.You have to take their strength their weapon away from them so they have to fight different. Mayweather vs Maidana 2 is a good example.

Holly her Style IMO primarely looks like a grandmaster Lyoto Machida style of hit and not getting hit whyle being very evasive!!!! Ronda didnt know the women had a Lyoto Machida amongst them. Look at a PURE pro and expert like Gerard Mousasi vs Lyoto Machida. He looked terribele and received a pretty similar type of punishment! the reason being is because Machida's style is one of the most difficult to fight against!!! Mousasi said he even trained with a similar karateka dude as Machida but he was basically schooled like Ronda, NO SHAME IN IT!!! Also Mousasi could hardly get an takedown etc. the Mousasi vs Machida fight is very similar IMO, to Rousey vs Holm.

The solution:
1)If i was Ronda i would start contacting the people who are experts in dealing with Lyoto Machida's style! for instance Machida's style didnt work vs Weidman at all. So Weidman and his camp have studied Machida perfectly and give great advice how to cut off the ring etc.
2)I being Rousey would spend time with elite smart fighters or gather information from them, who themselves are beyond elite in fighting from angles and using lateral movement. examples: JDS, mighty mouse, Dominick Cruz, and last but not least Lyoto Machida. I believe training and getting info from elites grand masters of movement and elusiveness is 10 times more precious as learning how to strike.
3) I hope she has more than one submission, because i have a hard time believing Holm can get submitted by an armbar specifally.
4) My advise would be to do less movies etc. and focus on takedowns and multiple submissions. Everyone can be defeated peeps who say based on one match that Holm cant be defeated by Rousey are crazy. Even Fedor lost to Werdum by triangel, everyone can be defeated and everyone can make mistakes!!!

In closing: Dealing with the Holm Style is the key(Holm=Machida IMO)!!!
 
mma2013 said:
improve this, change that. ronda will defeat holly in a rematch. that's delusional thinking right there.

you can give ronda as much time as she wants and she still has nothing for holly in a rematch. holly fucked up ronda in such a dominant and convincing way, any improvements and changes that ronda makes still won't be enough.

holly is just a bad matchup for ronda and people need to accept this reality.
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oh come on, stop acting like nobody ever won a rematch...

go watch holly's other ufc fights, you know the ones were people called her just another can.
 
dfoster said:
easier said than done. Holly has been learning to move efficiently for 20 years. Crisp, effective, efficient movements. Ronda just bounced forward like playing hopscotch. Then on top of that making wide, energy wasting swings.

Look at Holly, every movement was necessary and nothing more. Ronda will have to close the gap and take her down
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im sure you were preaching this before the fight right?
 
Dont be so aggressive

Force holly to move into her distance

Have a more diverse way of getting the fight to ground

Clinch, clinch, clinch.im postive ronda had good moments there from memory.

Change camps, find somewhere shes gonna get pushed into places holm took her.

Just quickfire thoughts off the top
 
She needs some fundamentals in footwork and then an ability to read and time holly, like holly read and times her... Thechanges Chuck made between Liddell/Couture I and Liddell/Couture II were minimal (lead leg outside etc) and after getting destroyed the first time out Chuck kicked Randys ass.

 
MajJamil said:
Cut the cage, don't chase and make her primary focus to take Holly down using her striking to mask takedowns/clinch. She also needs to chain her trips and throws together. On the ground I reckon Ronda has a decent chance for a submission she just needs to take her time and go for position over submission
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^^^ This right here.

People have to stop acting like it's such a stretch that Ronda can win the rematch. Yes, we all hate her cuz she's a ****, but let's not dismiss her strengths entirely. She's still a bad out for anyone in her division and miles ahead of most of them.

The first thing Ronda would have to do really is find a real camp and check her ego at the door. That's probably also the HARDEST thing she'd have to do. Hell, Tate should do the same thing and stop having the guy she's fucking as her coach.

After that, MajJamil has it right. Round up her skillset to utilize her strengths instead of going for the immediate bum's rush into a throw and winging bad haymakers.
 
Fluffernutter said:
Follow Askren's lead:

Accept the fact that she will not win a striking contest with Holm.

Throw zero punches during her training camp.

Learn proper striking defense only to cut off the "ring" and set up a takedown.

Get her to the ground.
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I gotta agree with this.

People should train skills to enhance what they're good at.

Maia's kickboxing, Kos's 1-2 combo, Miguel Torres's work after each loss, just took these guys further away from what they're good at.
A lot of people are suggesting this for Ronda.
 
First of all, jettison this absurd idea that's she been voicing lately that she needs to use the fight to prove that's she's better than the opponent at every aspect of MMA. There's no doubt in my mind that Edmond's fight plan and her expectation was to knock out Holly Holm standing.
 
wouldn't even consider her the favorite if she went in there with a baseball bat.

maybe if she borrowed one of Stallone's unlimited-ammo pistols... would give her a good chance.
 
She needs to take her to the ground and submit her. Easier said than done because Holly has a good takedown defense but that is the way to go. Holm is clearly the better striker so Ronda needs to patiently setup the takedown with strikes and work for a submission.
 
Fluffernutter said:
Follow Askren's lead:

Accept the fact that she will not win a striking contest with Holm.

Throw zero punches during her training camp.

Learn proper striking defense only to cut off the "ring" and set up a takedown.

Get her to the ground.
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This. Maybe work on shooting in rather than walking into clinches too
 
Gun'n'Run said:
Post how you think she could beat Holly. As in what she needs to do differently in her training and/or gameplan in order to win (or at least have the best shot at it.)
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So I guess that's my take. Conserve energy and don't rush the ground positions too much.
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I was quite sure there was a thread today showing a list of bjjscout's Rousey vids but I couldn't find it. Anyway he did a pre-UFC193 analysis which I missed before watching 193 because I looked for it earlier and thought he wasn't doing one:


I think Ronda's style is to charge either to get the clinch positions like head control which she is comfortable with or maybe she doesn't have the gas for a long fight.
 
tenniswhiz said:
I gotta agree with this.
People should train skills to enhance what they're good at.

Maia's kickboxing, Kos's 1-2 combo, Miguel Torres's work after each loss, just took these guys further away from what they're good at.
A lot of people are suggesting this for Ronda.
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Not striking and just trying to bulldoze in is like turning the clock back to the very early UFCs. Its like saying strikers don't need to learn takedown defense and how to escape and reverse positions on the ground.
 
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