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House About to Pass New Education Bill

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Donald Trump is about to make education great again.
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He is about to put a 28,500 dollar cap on how much grad school student can borrow.
Go with me here. That mean that students at extremely high dollar schools will not be able to borrow enough to pay for them. No problem they can do what they already are doing and go to private lenders.
However lenders will be unwilling to loan to persons attending for private schools that will not give students a strong likelihood of paying back the loans. This will kill off predatory private schools. Hence this bill will make education great again.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news...rhaul-would-cap-graduate-lending-and-end-loan
The GOP’s proposed update to the law governing higher education would force a U-turn for long-standing federal policies on graduate student lending.

Students who pursue graduate degrees have been allowed to take out an unlimited amount in federal student loans since Congress authorized the Grad PLUS program in 2005. But the legislation proposed last week by Representative Virginia Foxx, the North Carolina Republican who chairs the House education committee, would cap annual borrowing amounts for grad students at $28,500 annually. The bill also would change benefits for borrowers by altering income-driven repayment options and eliminating Public Service Loan Forgiveness.

Republicans said the proposed changes would put pressure on institutions to keep costs down and fits with their broader vision to simplify the federal student aid system.

But advocates for graduate education warned that the bill would limit less-well-off students’ access to advanced degrees. And they said public service-oriented fields in particular would be hurt by limits in federal loans and the end of PSLF.

Beth Buehlmann, vice president for public policy and government affairs at the Council of Graduate Schools, worked in the office of Wyoming Senator Mike Enzi, who was the ranking Republican on the Senate education committee when Congress authorized Grad PLUS loans. That move was partly designed to reduce students’ reliance on the private loan market, she said.

“And it has done that,” she said. “It has been very successful in doing that.”

Republicans’ opening bid in the reauthorization of the Higher Education Act signals just how much the party’s thinking on student aid has changed in the last decade. Not only do GOP leaders want more simplicity -- a departure from the current landscape that offers a number of repayment options for student loan debt -- but they also want a bigger role for the private loan market.

Many Republicans in recent years have argued for eliminating both Grad PLUS and another loan program that allows unlimited lending to parents of undergraduates, called Parent PLUS. The private sector, they argue, will do just as well as any federal regulation to weed out useless programs.

However, Buehlmann and others warn that leaving the private market to fill gaps in the cost of graduate education for certain service-oriented fields -- such as public-interest law, counseling and drug rehabilitation, and social work -- would make those careers unattainable. Grad students, Buehlmann said, can’t access grant funding. Lending is the only option to finance their education, and federal loans provide protections not available in the private market, she said. If the private lending market doesn’t fill the gaps in cost of graduate education, according to this argument, fewer students will be able to enter those professions.

Chris Chapman, president and CEO of AccessLex, said the elimination of PSLF and a cap on graduate lending would make it more difficult for underrepresented student groups to pursue graduate education.

“It would really take away a very strong benefit and strong tool to encourage graduates who go into public service professions,” he said. “Even more than that, it really eliminates the incentive to persist in the profession.”

Higher education groups and student aid advocates, meanwhile, are watching a federal tax reform processthat could have major implications for graduate students. The House passed a tax plan last month that includes several provisions to strip current benefits in the tax code for students. One change would mean that graduate students’ tuition discounts effectively are taxed as income. Another would end student loan interest deductions, costing student borrowers an additional $24 billion over the next decade. That change would be particularly burdensome to grad students, many of whom are paying off undergraduate loans.

Those provisions were left out of a Senate bill earlier this month. But the details of the final tax reform legislation that emerges could weigh on whatever changes are made to graduate benefits in a reauthorization of the Higher Education Act.

The GOP’s Rationale

Republicans have been critical of the increasingly high taxpayer cost estimates for the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program. And GOP lawmakers believe the benefit is poorly targeted. A committee aide pointed to one recent report arguing that in many cases public sector workers are no less well compensated than private sector workers. PSLF though would also provide loan relief to many low-salaried employees of qualifying nonprofit organizations.

Regardless of what wage data shows, the GOP says no worker should get special benefits on student loans based on their employer.

“Our proposal offers the same deal for everyone regardless of occupation and puts downward market pressure on institutions to keep costs down," a committee spokesman said. "We believe all work is valuable and should be held in the same high regard."

Republican bill writers also believe the unlimited availability of federal funds has led college to raise tuition and fees. The committee cited one UCLA study from last year examining the use of Parent PLUS loans that appeared to back that notion, commonly known as the Bennett hypothesis. But that study didn't look at the relationship between program costs and graduate lending (Parent PLUS can only be used to fund undergraduate education). And a recent paper from Robert Kelchen, an assistant professor of education at Seton Hall University, found limited evidence of the theory’s relevance to graduate lending for legal education.

Kelchen said that in 2005, before Grad PLUS was authorized, federal graduate student loans typically did not cover the full cost of education. The proposed changes in the House bill, he said, would have implications for for-profit chains as well as a substantial number of private nonprofit colleges that have used professional and master’s degree programs to help subsidize undergraduate education.

“It could put pressure on colleges to try to get more revenue from undergraduates,” he said.

Students entering higher-paid fields likely would be able to find private loans at similar rates to Grad PLUS, Kelchen said, but students entering high-tuition, low-paid fields like social work could struggle.

While the evidence is limited of tuition increases linked to unlimited graduate lending, average borrowing amounts by graduate students rose sharply between the 2004-05 and 2010-11 academic years, before subsequently declining through 2014-15, according to a College Board tally of federal loans made to students and parents. But the loan amounts began to rise again in 2015-16.

Critics of unlimited graduate lending also have attributed the unexpectedly high costs of federal income-driven repayment programs to heavy use by graduate students. A U.S. Government Accountability Office report last year found that the expected cost of IDR plans has shot up to $53 billion from $25 billion, for federal loans issued during the 2009 to 2016 fiscal years, primarily because of the growing number of loans expected to be repaid through the program. And changes by the Obama administration to income-driven plans made the program more generous to grad students as it steered more borrowers into those plans.

Preston Cooper, an education data analyst at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said the research was clear that allowing unlimited borrowing by parents of undergraduates has led to increases in tuition. The evidence is much more mixed on unlimited graduate borrowing, he said, but capping that lending accomplishes another conservative goal by opening new space for private lenders.

“The rationale for having a federal student loan program is that there is a market failure, that basically no lenders are going to lend to an 18-year-old student who doesn’t have any credit history, doesn’t have any work history, because that’s just too risky,” he said. “Those arguments don’t really apply to the graduate lending sphere.”

Graduate students have ample opportunity to establish a credit history. And private lenders will lend only to students in programs with a reasonable chance of paying off loans, he said. Cooper also argued that income-driven repayment is adequate to ensure students in lower-paying public service fields can afford to repay their loans.

Sarah Flanagan, vice president for government relations and policy at the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities, said institutions want students to be able to cover the full cost of their education with federal loans. Private lending has less generous terms and conditions, she said, and pushing students to take out those additional loans undercuts the Republican theme of greater simplicity in the student aid system.

“That’s really a step backward,” she said.

She said an aggregate limit on graduate lending could be preferable to annual limits and would reward shorter, more efficient programs.

Others have noted that in the case of legal education in particular, private lending would likely fill any gap in costs for students attending prestigious law schools, that may not be the case at lower-ranking law programs.

The bill does include higher lending amounts for students pursuing graduate education as doctors or other medical professional positions. And while it would otherwise limit graduate lending, it does increase annual lending limits for undergraduates and would raise the aggregate lending limit for federal direct loans from $138,500 to $150,000. Grad PLUS was authorized to meet gaps in need for students who had already reached their aggregate borrowing limit. So some see the higher limit as partially addressing the need met by the program.

Large for-profit college chains, among them Walden University, focus primarily on graduate education. Jennifer Blum, senior vice president of external relations and public policy at Laureate Education, Walden’s parent company, said the university supports efforts to streamline federal loan and repayment programs if the results are more efficient for student borrowers.

“As an institution focused primarily on graduate-level education, we are examining the legislation closely to determine the relationship between any loss of Grad PLUS funding to the other loan reforms and improvements proposed,” she said in a written statement. “We are hopeful that any final legislation will strike the right balance to ensure continued access and completion for graduate students who need educational funding.”

Some advocates for student aid recipients see graduate students taking it on the chin in the House bill. Justin Draeger, president and CEO of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators, said grad students don’t just lose access to Public Service Loan Forgiveness in the bill. They would also be shut out of the federal work-study program.

Draeger said it’s important to be clear about the specific problems lawmakers are setting out to address in the higher education bill’s reauthorization. Loan repayment rates, defaults, tuition inflation and the cost of loan forgiveness are all separate issues, he said.

Graduate students typically aren’t the ones struggling to pay back their loans, said Draeger. To the extent Congress is looking to address the moral hazard of loan forgiveness -- too many students taking out large amounts of loans with the expectation that the government would pick up much of the cost -- it could cap future loan forgiveness, rather than capping borrowing and eliminating Public Service Loan Forgiveness, he said.

“Sometimes I feel like these conversations are all going by each other,” Draeger said. “Our take is there are ways to address all these issues. Putting caps on the loans might be one of those ways.”
 
"The bill also would change benefits for borrowers by altering income-driven repayment options and eliminating Public Service Loan Forgiveness"

This is bad.

And as noted by the article you quoted, undergraduate programs are where most of the predatory behavior occurs with defaulting loans, not graduate programs. The goal here is transparently to give more market share to private lenders, not to reduce predatory schools.
 
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"The bill also would change benefits for borrowers by altering income-driven repayment options and eliminating Public Service Loan Forgiveness"

This is bad.

And as noted by the article you quoted, undergraduate programs are where most of the predatory behavior occurs with defaulting loans, not graduate programs. The goal here is transparently to give more market share to private lenders, not to reduce predatory schools.

I am not saying it is all sunshine and rainbows but there are some law schools that need to shut down. I went to USD law which is a okay law school and the best one in San Diego. One law school should be all one city needs. Yet for some reason there are three accredited law schools in San Diego. L.A., San Fran and a couple other CA cities are the same way. Plus there are several unaccredited ones in San Diego.

I don't mind the unaccredited ones because they are inexpensive.
This one is fairly close by.
http://www.wslawschool.com/tuition.php

"300 dollars per unit
Tuition, fees, books and materials could cost approximately $38,500.00 through your four-year course of study."

Either way you have a JD. And the ones that really are not cut out won't pass the baby bar which is a test you have to pass after the first year at unaccredited schools to go on to the second year.

On occasion they even produce decent lawyers. There are smart people that have a mid life crisis and want to go to school at night without the gamble of 6 figure debt.

And if for the rest of them. Hey you can pay off 38 grand and you have a JD and you presumably worked while in their 4 year part time program so you are not that bad off.


Then there is Thomas Jefferson. It has a 30 % bar passage rate and cost over 40k a year in tution to go to.
That place is predatory.


The Law School Transparency estimated debt-financed cost of attendance for three years is $262,645.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_School_of_Law
The only reason that place is around is because of uncapped student loans. For every 100 people that go through there roughly 60-65 (people retake the Bar and some pass but most that fail once never pass) or so will never be lawyers. And they are in debt for the rest of their lives.

That is not okay. Private lenders will not loan to a school like Thomas Jefferson because most of their students will never pay their loans back. And TJ is not alone there are dozens of these places across the country.


And you can't even make the argument that students that could not be accepted elsewhere but would have made okay lawyer will be harmed. Because hey they can go to the unaccredited school for a fraction the price.
 
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Donald Trump is about to make education great again.
How do you ask?
He is about to put a 28,500 dollar cap on how much grad school student can borrow.
Go with me here. That mean that students at extremely high dollar schools will not be able to borrow enough to pay for them. No problem they can do what they already are doing and go to private lenders.
However lenders will be unwilling to loan to persons attending for private schools that will not give students a strong likelihood of paying back the loans. This will kill off predatory private schools. Hence this bill will make education great again.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news...rhaul-would-cap-graduate-lending-and-end-loan
"The bill also would change benefits for borrowers by altering income-driven repayment options and eliminating Public Service Loan Forgiveness"

This is bad.

And as noted by the article you quoted, undergraduate programs are where most of the predatory behavior occurs with defaulting loans, not graduate programs. The goal here is transparently to give more market share to private lenders, not to reduce predatory schools.

Too bad you don't understand things. The reason that tuition is skyrocketing is because students can get ever increasing loans. Putting a cap on it COULD reduce the cost of college.

Cliffs: don't cry, dry your eye.
 
So it turns out I may have picked an awful time to go to grad school
 
I am not saying it is all sunshine and rainbows but there are some law schools that need to shut down. I went to USD law which is a okay law school. For some reason there are three accredited law schools in San Diego. Plus several unaccredited ones.

I don't mind the unaccredited ones because they are inexpensive.
This one is fairly close by.
http://www.wslawschool.com/tuition.php

"300 dollars per unit
Tuition, fees, books and materials could cost approximately $38,500.00 through your four-year course of study."

Either way you have a JD. And the ones that really are not cut out won't pass the baby bar which is a test you have to pass after the first year at unaccredited schools to go on to the second year.

On occasion they even produce decent lawyers. There are smart people that have a mid life crisis and want to go to school at night without the gamble of 6 figure debt.

And if for the rest of them. Hey you can pay off 38 grand and you have a JD and you presumably worked while in their 4 year part time program so you are not that bad off.


Then there is Thomas Jefferson. It has a 30 % bar passage rate and cost over 40k a year in tution to go to.
That place is predatory.


The Law School Transparency estimated debt-financed cost of attendance for three years is $262,645.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_School_of_Law
The only reason that place is around is because of uncapped student loans. For every 100 people that go through there roughly 60-65 (people retake the Bar and some pass but most that fail once never pass) or so will never be lawyers. And they are in debt for the rest of their lives.

That is not okay. Private lenders will not loan to a school like Thomas Jefferson because most of their students will never pay their loans back. And TJ is not alone there are dozens of these places across the country.


And you can't even make the argument that students that could not be accepted elsewhere but would have made okay lawyer will be harmed. Because hey they can go to the unaccredited school for a fraction the price.

The real issue there is that they keep accrediting shit tier law schools, not the lending programs.

Medicine doesn't have that problem because they don't approve every shitty school that wants to run a med school.

Of course, that's because law schools and business schools print money and med schools cost money. You don't need expensive labs or even much technology to run a law school or business school. Just warm bodies willing to teach and a physical library for people to pretend to study in.
 
One of the quotes in OP is funny... "Lending is the only option to finance their education, and federal loans provide protections not available in the private market, she said." LMAO Are people so brainwashed that they truly believe the ONLY way for people to go to college is to borrow money? What in the flying fuck is wrong with these people? Have they never heard of this thing called "work?"

MOST, if not all, of the grad students I knew were employed by the school as TA's, tutors, or instructors, as part of their graduate degree course work. So they not only received free tuition but they were also receiving a paycheck.
 
It's a mixed bag. It even covers sexual assault surveys. Going to read some other stuff that looks interesting to me.
 
The real issue there is that they keep accrediting shit tier law schools, not the lending programs.

Medicine doesn't have that problem because they don't approve every shitty school that wants to run a med school.

Of course, that's because law schools and business schools print money and med schools cost money. You don't need expensive labs or even much technology to run a law school or business school. Just warm bodies willing to teach and a physical library for people to pretend to study in.

I simply don't understand how they can justify the cost.

These unaccredited schools manage to function at a small fraction the cost and yet TJ claims it would go out of business if it did not charge what it charges.

The worst argument these schools put out is closing them down would hurt diversity. Diversity to be a slave to debt?

when I meet a person that is has a JD who can't pass the bar more about than not it is a TJ grad and I feel really bad for them.
 
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Gotta protect that oligarchy anyway they can.

Wouldnt want some uppity driven hard-working serf end up in a social caste above his by going to school and getting a degree that benefits society!!

Education is for cans anyway.
 
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One of the quotes in OP is funny... "Lending is the only option to finance their education, and federal loans provide protections not available in the private market, she said." LMAO Are people so brainwashed that they truly believe the ONLY way for people to go to college is to borrow money? What in the flying fuck is wrong with these people? Have they never heard of this thing called "work?"

MOST, if not all, of the grad students I knew were employed by the school as TA's, tutors, or instructors, as part of their graduate degree course work. So they not only received free tuition but they were also receiving a paycheck.
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