hopkins stance pros and cons?

[Bay Area]

If you want an overview of that approach, I could give it.

I do. If its not too much trouble of course

 

[Sinister]

Taking damage isn't really an Art form. Toughness and grit. There's very few guys who will make it on that alone, and most of those ones don't make it all the way to the top, the ones that do don't always win, either. The ones that win tend to be more skilled than people like to remember. Julio Cesar Chavez was always known for being nearly impossible to hurt, but he didn't get hit clean quite as often as people recall:



He wasn't an uneducated brawler who went SIMPLY on grit and barely more. He was actually a pretty skilled forward-moving boxer who was hard to hit, then when you did hit him, it didn't work. Even Benny Briscoe, who was renowned for his toughness and chin, and moving forward into the foray for an entire fight, was not so easy to hit and used a lot of defensive motions AS he came at you. But even as he did, he got hit back quite a bit and at times, frighteningly so. Benny never could beat Valdez for this reason:



Now, if you want to see how these guys end up fighting once their punch resistance wanes even a little bit. Michael Katsidis' last fight is a good demonstration:



Now, rumor has it that Katsidis was ill-prepared for this contest. However, tough guys like this are known for pulling fights out even when they're ill-prepared, because you don't really prepare that kind of toughness. It's just there or it isn't. It's starting to look like that for Katsidis, it's not there anymore. The reason? It gets beaten out of them eventually.

 

[devante]

Taking damage isn't really an Art form. Toughness and grit. There's very few guys who will make it on that alone, and most of those ones don't make it all the way to the top, the ones that do don't always win, either. The ones that win tend to be more skilled than people like to remember. Julio Cesar Chavez was always known for being nearly impossible to hurt, but he didn't get hit clean quite as often as people recall:



He wasn't an uneducated brawler who went SIMPLY on grit and barely more. He was actually a pretty skilled forward-moving boxer who was hard to hit, then when you did hit him, it didn't work. Even Benny Briscoe, who was renowned for his toughness and chin, and moving forward into the foray for an entire fight, was not so easy to hit and used a lot of defensive motions AS he came at you. But even as he did, he got hit back quite a bit and at times, frighteningly so. Benny never could beat Valdez for this reason:



Now, if you want to see how these guys end up fighting once their punch resistance wanes even a little bit. Michael Katsidis' last fight is a good demonstration:



Now, rumor has it that Katsidis was ill-prepared for this contest. However, tough guys like this are known for pulling fights out even when they're ill-prepared, because you don't really prepare that kind of toughness. It's just there or it isn't. It's starting to look like that for Katsidis, it's not there anymore. The reason? It gets beaten out of them eventually.

mental and phys toughness is key; but it can't be the only thing you have, as it ONLY determines the fight when you are on a level comparable to you opp or they are more gifted but ill prepared. I think alot of people enjoy that type of fight and fighter; esp when they make it big, but they don't understand those guys are the exception and rarely last long at top levels.

skills are always the determining factor, the more you have the better you can maximize the abilities you have and the longer you can perform at high levels; when you lean on toughness or dynamic ability you are basically biding your time because at some point you start to regress physically or you just reach your limit from activity/abuse.

notice the lesser skilled guys fall off the fastest and most obviously-margarito-williams-jones jr - baldomir-gatti-ward-olivera; whereas guys like augustus mayweather hopkins, the steps lost aren't as obvious nor is the level of performance.

 

[Bay Area]

Thanks! I will anyalize these vids once I leave work

 

[devante]

you have to be able to take a shot, if you can't you won't make it, ask linares to name one; but you can't depend on it, it will shorten and waste your career in large part.

 

[Bay Area]

notice the lesser skilled guys fall off the fastest and most obviously-margarito-williams-jones jr - baldomir-gatti-ward-olivera; whereas guys like augustus mayweather hopkins, the steps lost aren't as obvious nor is the level of performance.

Why did you include Jones in that category?

 

[devante]

Why did you include Jones in that category?

he leaned on his ability, he had skills; but used his ability to skirt the rules and to not always refine or keep his skills sharp, once the speed/explosiveness went his ability to compete at a worldclass level fell off dramatically. And i listed guys who lean on toughness or ability.

 

[Discipulus]

Why did you include Jones in that category?

He wasn't as skilled as the others. He just had more talent. Once his speed and timing faded, he didn't have technique to fall back on, and he started getting laid out over and over. He loses to chumps now, and only a few years ago he was still the best in the world.