Honest question: why some (or most) of you think JG doesn't deserve the TS?

[Dr. Rose]

This above. That statement of Gathje or Paddy when you take Arman out is why they should be booked to fight for the next titleshot. By Next I mean after Arman vs Ilia happens. Hell put it on the undercard as the Co Main and you have a built in backup in case of a pull out by Arman or Ilia. Book someone like Hooker vs a serviceable LW and he can step up to Co Main in the event Paddy or Gathje need to step up.

That is way to logical for the UFC to actually do that anymore. It doesn't seem that long ago that they created cards like that or had them the fight a week or two apart, but that seems like 10 years ago now. But you are so right, it builds a natural tension and possible rivalry.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

Arman doesnt deserve a ts. Dude never fights loses to gamrot and squeaks by Charles. Not to mention misses weight for his shot. He is behind Justin max and paddy

 

[humdizzle]

Because he hasn't shown any improvement to his game and already got 2 title fights. Knocks charles down and is too afraid to finish him off like Islam did. Bigger than Max... but doesn't use his size advantage at all in the fight.

He's also sat on the shelf so long that the only active UFC fighters he's beaten are Chandler (lol), Michael Johnson, and Fiziev.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

It should be Arman, I know. We know. But Dana does Dana.

Justin was the 1st contender when he fought Max @ 300.

Islam wasn't fighting at UFC 300. Arman vs Charles (a title eliminator) was booked for UFC 300 before Justin was booked against Max. That means Justin was never #1

Max was the next contender at FW, too, so it was a ballsy move for both.

Every top fight is ballsy. If Max got KO'd, Ilia definitely would have bitched a lot more about the premise of fighting him next. That's because losing hurts your standing, period.

Alright, Max gave him a beating. But let’s not forget he fought with a broken nose since the end of the first round and took a couple of -unintentional- nasty eye pokes.

Let's not forget Max broke his nose, and the fouls didn't make it a no contest or DQ.

And, in any case, a fight for the BMF should be completely independent of his standing in LW, don’t you think?

No. What an extremely easy question to answer.

He won his "mandatory" back-to-the-talk fight vs Fiziev...

What the fuck is "back to the talk" and why are you calling it mandatory. Are you acting like that rematch meant anything? Because it really didn't

If you take Arman out of the picture because of whatever, Justin is right IMHO.

He's not

Why should a guy ranked #5 and 4-3 in his last 7 get the shot? Off one win in a row over the #10 guy?

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Arman on the other hand is ranked #2, has 4 wins in a row and is 9-1 in his last 10. Even Paddy is 7-0 UFC on a 9-fight win streak overall.

Justin's got a 1 fight win streak over Fiz who was coming off a losing streak and a long layoff.

Hooker's on a 3 fight win streak and last beat the guy who beat Fiziev.

To anyone who is acting like Fiz is enough to get a shot, sounds like Hooker should be closer

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Arman doesnt deserve a ts. Dude never fights loses to gamrot and squeaks by Charles. Not to mention misses weight for his shot. He is behind Justin max and paddy

Arman debuted April 2019. And has fought 11 times.

Including Justin's fight a month earlier in March 2019, he's fought 10 times.

I guess if Arman "never fights," what's that make Justin, semi retired?

Arman's win over Charles is "scraping by," but you don't use any qualifier for Gamrot's win, which the majority of people considered a robbery. You know who didn't "scrape by" Charles? Justin. He got smashed. Like he did by Khabib, and like he did by Max just last year. Arman didn't.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Ilia gonna catch another bottle of hand sanitizer straight to the dome piece son

 

[Hymen Crusher]

Arman debuted April 2019. And has fought 11 times.

Including Justin's fight a month earlier in March 2019, he's fought 10 times.

I guess if Arman "never fights," what's that make Justin, semi retired?

Arman's win over Charles is "scraping by," but you don't use any qualifier for Gamrot's win, which the majority of people considered a robbery. You know who didn't "scrape by" Charles? Justin. He got smashed. Like he did by Khabib, and like he did by Max just last year. Arman didn't.

He got his title shot already. He missed work

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

However these 4 end up being paired together, I'm cool with it. Charles, Chandler and Dustin are finally far out of the title picture, and any combo of said 4 155ers are still great fights.

I don't think Gaethje deserves it more than Arman, but deserves got nothing to do with it.
Arman is doing grappling bouts and filled in as the back up fighter, credit to him.

Justin has been must see TV since WSOF. He's won more bonuses than he's had fights lol.

If you give him Ilia for the belt, win or lose he's done after that one, whereas a loss to Paddy or Arman likely forces his retirement.

Arman vs Hooker, Paddy as back up for Ilia vs. Justin

 

[Trabaho]

It should be Arman, I know. We know. But Dana does Dana.

Justin was the 1st contender when he fought Max @ 300. Max was the next contender at FW, too, so it was a ballsy move for both.

rolled the dice for a price

Alright, Max gave him a beating. But let’s not forget he fought with a broken nose since the end of the first round and took a couple of -unintentional- nasty eye pokes.

wtf does Max breaking his nose make the win count less.

And, in any case, a fight for the BMF should be completely independent of his standing in LW, don’t you think?

wtf it was a 155 fight. A BMF belt makes it not count ? If he won that you 100% would count it

He won his "mandatory" back-to-the-talk fight vs Fiziev...

Title shot of 1 win vs Fiziev

If you take Arman out of the picture because of whatever, Justin is right IMHO.

Yeah Justin and Paddy both equally are capable of getting it. Paddy is on a streak vs much easier competition, but on a streak. Justin is a new match up and if Arman doesn´t get it you can give it to him. Arman also didn´t fight in maybe a year and pulled out on the day of his last fight that was for the title. So all 3 can get it but noone can demand it.

Justin had time to win one more.

 

[Neck&Neck]

None of these dorks deserve to fight the illustrious Ilia
Bud Crawford is the fight to make, he just beat Cannoli
And since UFC runs boxing now, it’s all the same shit

 

[Thy]

I'm just not really into watching him.

 

[maximus__]

If you take Arman out which he is, then yes Justin makes sense. Its either him or Paddy and you can make a case for either guy. Who else is there? Max just got KO'd by Ilia, granted it was FW, the fight is just too recent to create any demand for a rematch.

Max holds wins over both JG and DP, with a violent finish and complete domination of JG.
Justin rematched a guy on short notice... He isn't even in contention.

Justin should fight someone like Paddy. Max can fight someone like Fiziev and just do Arman vs Ilia.

 

[Karate Kid]

he has two losses in 3 fights two of his wins v Fiziev, who is quite simply not a top opponent, a past it Poirier and before this michael fucking chandler.

i dont care that he is "exciting" he flops in title shots and hard and somehow thinks one win after being destroyed Max warrants him a title shot.

i am aware of his ideal, he is 36 and not a true contender so is negotiating for one more title chance before he really goes downhill.

no one can argue in his favour and for all this talk of him being the most violent fighter he has half of that violence when it comes to his top title shots. retire

 

[cmw43]

Because he never fights and he got completely pieced up and outclassed against Holloway. Should be behind Arman, Holloway, Pimblett, and hell even Hooker.

Behind Arman who hasn't fought in 18 months?

 

[cmw43]

Why should a guy ranked #5 and 4-3 in his last 7 get the shot? Off one win in a row over the #10 guy?

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Arman on the other hand is ranked #2, has 4 wins in a row and is 9-1 in his last 10. Even Paddy is 7-0 UFC on a 9-fight win streak overall.

You've got to consider context, the fights he lost were all title fights to elite level Champs.

If you swap the Champs JG fought for some of the cans Arman had on his streak like Joaquin Silva, Christos Giagos and Matt Frevola then JG would have some more highlight reel KOs.

 

[jeskola]

You've got to consider context, the fights he lost were all title fights to elite level Champs.

If you swap the Champs JG fought for some of the cans Arman had on his streak like Joaquin Silva, Christos Giagos and Matt Frevola then JG would have some more highlight reel KOs.

You are counting the BMF title?

Also, maybe losing a bunch of title fights means he shouldn't get another title fight right away off a win over Fiziev.

 

[don't ask]

In the last five years, he beat Chandler, Poirier and Fiziev (twice). Fiziev is #10, the other two aren't even ranked right now.

These divisions are abysmal.

 

[Prazeres]

You've got to consider context, the fights he lost were all title fights to elite level Champs.

If you swap the Champs JG fought for some of the cans Arman had on his streak like Joaquin Silva, Christos Giagos and Matt Frevola then JG would have some more highlight reel KOs.

If Arman had to fight Fiziev or Chandler he also would get decision victories. Losing his last two title title fight isn't how you earn a third one.

 

[JKS]

Max holds wins over both JG and DP, with a violent finish and complete domination of JG.
Justin rematched a guy on short notice... He isn't even in contention.

Justin should fight someone like Paddy. Max can fight someone like Fiziev and just do Arman vs Ilia.

Justin isn't even in contention?? That's a big surprise to me considering he's pretty much been named the top contender likely to get the fight along with Paddy. So how if he not in contention lol??

The issue with Max is he just got blasted by Ilia recently and there isn't much interest in the fight. If it was up to me, I would give the fight to Arman. But I am not a match maker.

 

[Aluminati]

He's 1-3 in fights against opponents in the top 3 (win being Tony). He's 25-2 otherwise. I think it's pretty clear that he's just a step below championship caliber at this point. But, to be fair, I couldn't care less one way or the other who he's fighting because I'm going to watch it anyways.