Holder wants to explore gun tracking bracelets

[Islam Imamate]

Here's the party platform on guns:

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

And the GOP:

We uphold the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, a right which antedated the Constitution and was solemnly confirmed by the Second Amendment. We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen's God-given right of self-defense. We call for the protection of such fundamental individual rights recognized in the Supreme Court's decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirming that right, and we recognize the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms. This also includes the right to obtain and store ammunition without registration. We support the fundamental right to self-defense wherever a law-abiding citizen has a legal right to be, and we support federal legislation that would expand the exercise of that right by allowing those with state-issued carry permits to carry firearms in any state that issues such permits to its own residents.

In terms of substance, there's very little difference. It's just a symbolic issue for the right, and Republican politicians and the right-wing media jumps on and exaggerates anything that Democrats say about guns for fundraising/team-building purposes.

Did you even read what you posted?

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Did you even read what you posted?

No to mention there is no such thing as a gun show loophole...

 

[Jack V Savage]

Did you even read what you posted?

Um, yes. Did you?

???

 

[Graves The Elder]

Holder is a domestic terrorist by definition and action.

 

[Jack V Savage]

holder is a domestic terrorist by definition and action.

lol!

 

[Islam Imamate]

Um, yes. Did you?

???

You said in terms of substance there is very little difference and yet one party has it in their national platform that they want to ban an entire class of weapons that includes the most popular rifle in America while the other wants to make it easier to carry guns across state lines. Seems like a significant difference to me.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You said in terms of substance there is very little difference and yet one party has it in their national platform that they want to ban an entire class of weapons that includes the most popular rifle in America while the other wants to make it easier to carry guns across state lines. Seems like a significant difference to me.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. Seems pretty irrelevant to me.

 

[7437]

Holder is a domestic terrorist by definition and action.

I would love to see you back that up.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. Seems pretty irrelevant to me.

How is it irrelevant if the discussion centered around whether or not the left wants to ban guns? It very clearly states there they want to ban quite a few weapons while the GOP platform doesn't call for any bans on firearms.

 

[Graves The Elder]

7436>7437
"I would love to see you back that up."
idiot.

 

[7437]

7436>7437
"I would love to see you back that up."
idiot.

so you cant. thanks for your contribution, you are a credit to your people. if all men had as clear and well thought out positions as you do, the world would truly be a better place.

such a well stated argument, I cant stress that enough

 

[5H3RD0G]

Since we are the most gun populated populace in the world we should hold weekly events that teach people how to use them properly to build a mental standard by which people are comfortable but have a better understanding that everyone is not the enemy and not target practice fodder. :icon_chee

 

[Graves The Elder]

so you cant. thanks for your contribution, you are a credit to your people. if all men had as clear and well thought out positions as you do, the world would truly be a better place.

such a well stated argument, I cant stress that enough

jimmies rustled.
I'm not doing your work for you, cretin.
examine his political history and get back to me.

 

[jefferz]

You'll just see a lot of massacres preceded by a maniac cutting off the thumb of the gun's owner.

If you see a guy eating carrots and Breed by Nirvana starts playing watch the fuck out.

 

[7437]

jimmies rustled.
I'm not doing your work for you, cretin.
examine his political history and get back to me.

so, no terrorism I can see. did I miss something? or have you been spending too much time with Limbaugh?

 

[Graves The Elder]

ouch, that hurts brah.

 

[HIMBOB]

Apparently there was a light found on Mars.


I find these two things equally concerning.

 

[killakoy]

???

That doesn't contradict what I said at all. I'm not saying that there's a general lack of passion on the left--just that the left is not as passionate about guns.

I'd agree with this statement.

Try again. I read stuff from the left and the right, and I read party platforms. It's clear from what I read that as a result of a well-funded gun lobby, ignorant right-wingers have been convinced that the left wants to ban guns; and it's equally clear that the left doesn't want to ban guns, and that the Democratic Party's position on guns is very similar to the Republican Party's position (and thus that it's a non-issue that only gets play because it works as a fundraiser/team-builder for fanatics on the right).

I don't think you can really generalize the whole party in this case since there is a faction within the democrats that is anti-2nd amendment (and when the issue comes up they're very vocal).

 

[Jack V Savage]

How is it irrelevant if the discussion centered around whether or not the left wants to ban guns? It very clearly states there they want to ban quite a few weapons while the GOP platform doesn't call for any bans on firearms.

The left doesn't want to ban guns. The argument is about some relatively minor regulatory differences. Again, I think this thread has been a great demonstration of my point about the asymmetrical passion on the issue, and the resulting effectiveness of industry/political propaganda for one side.

I don't think you can really generalize the whole party in this case since there is a faction within the democrats that is anti-2nd amendment (and when the issue comes up they're very vocal).

I'm not even sure I'd go that far. There are scattered individuals who are anti-2nd Amendment, but they have no power and don't even really constitute a faction within either party.

 

[Calmete]

The left doesn't want to ban guns.

Rofl