Hogan being an a**hole at the height of his powers. Why did they book it like this?

[HHJ]

In the 80s, Hogan was the american hero, but sometimes his character would do some assholish stuff. He pulled Sid out of the ring when Sid eliminated him at the rumble, He always hogged up Randy Savage's glory in a way you didnt have to do. Did they do these things to hint at an eventual heel turn that never happened (in the WWF) Even the heel commentators would bring it up.

It seemed weird sometimes, that he would act like a attention whore glory hog when they did not have to make him be that way in the ring, and it would happen alot. It kind of added a dimension to his character tbh, but its weird they'd do this with their biggest babyface who always won at the end of pretty much every PPV. The lines were so clearly drawn with your top babyface back then, so i wonder what the intention was there. What do you think?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Hogan was like poochie, when he was on screen it was all about him, when he was off screen we're supposed to be asking where's poochie?

 

[HHJ]

Hogan was like poochie, when he was on screen it was all about him, when he was off screen we're supposed to be asking where's poochie?

Yeah I get that, but i think some of his antics gave sympathy to his opponents/tag partners rather than further him as the #1 in the company.

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

GOAT

But...

Hogan was all about Hogan until the end...

 

[Thrawn33]

GOAT

But...

Hogan was all about Hogan until the end...

Yeah kid me finally recognized this at WM9...

I knew Pro-rassling was a work, but remember being annoyed at the end of the show with Hogan winning...like "they just ruined Bret and Yoko in less than a min..."

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yeah I get that, but i think some of his antics gave sympathy to his opponents/tag partners rather than further him as the #1 in the company.

The Sid thing was just so he and Sid could main event mania rather than Savage and Flair.

 

[Thrawn33]

The Sid thing was just so he and Sid could main event mania rather than Savage and Flair.

Which was bullshit because if I recall that was the first Mania since one of the early ones where the Title match wasn't the closer...or at least the Champ wasn't involved

 

[HHJ]

The Sid thing was just so he and Sid could main event mania rather than Savage and Flair.

Yeah but he didnt have to even help pull him out. Flair coulda just thrown him while he wasnt payin attention

 

[the ambush]

In the 80s, Hogan was the american hero, but sometimes his character would do some assholish stuff. He pulled Sid out of the ring when Sid eliminated him at the rumble, He always hogged up Randy Savage's glory in a way you didnt have to do. Did they do these things to hint at an eventual heel turn that never happened (in the WWF) Even the heel commentators would bring it up.

It seemed weird sometimes, that he would act like a attention whore glory hog when they did not have to make him be that way in the ring, and it would happen alot. It kind of added a dimension to his character tbh, but its weird they'd do this with their biggest babyface who always won at the end of pretty much every PPV. The lines were so clearly drawn with your top babyface back then, so i wonder what the intention was there. What do you think?

I always thought Savage didn't get enough credit. But hey what can a person do in the business when Hogan's hogging all of the glory?

 

[the ambush]

The Sid thing was just so he and Sid could main event mania rather than Savage and Flair.

At WM 8 why was Savage and Flair on the mid card as the Heavyweight Championship? And also I found the Savage and Flair match to be better than the Hogan and Sid match.

 

[Thrawn33]

At WM 8 why was Savage and Flair on the mid card as the Heavyweight Championship? And also I found the Savage and Flair match to be better than the Hogan and Sid match.

To be fair (to Flair!) I don't think there were too many in WWF at the time who could've put on a better match than Savage and Flair...

Bret and Henning but they weren't top guys (yet in Brets case)

 

[the ambush]

To be fair (to Flair!) I don't think there were too many in WWF at the time who could've put on a better match than Savage and Flair...

Bret and Henning but they weren't top guys (yet in Brets case)

Agreed, Savage was one of my favorites.

Just thought that match would have been the final or co-final match of the night.

 

[armbarforhire]

In the 80s, Hogan was the american hero, but sometimes his character would do some assholish stuff. He pulled Sid out of the ring when Sid eliminated him at the rumble, He always hogged up Randy Savage's glory in a way you didnt have to do. Did they do these things to hint at an eventual heel turn that never happened (in the WWF) Even the heel commentators would bring it up.

It was all a long term big setup to him being the third man.

"What have I been saying all these years, huh?" -Bobby Heenan

 

[Aegon Spengler]

In the 80s, Hogan was the american hero, but sometimes his character would do some assholish stuff. He pulled Sid out of the ring when Sid eliminated him at the rumble, He always hogged up Randy Savage's glory in a way you didnt have to do. Did they do these things to hint at an eventual heel turn that never happened (in the WWF) Even the heel commentators would bring it up.

It seemed weird sometimes, that he would act like a attention whore glory hog when they did not have to make him be that way in the ring, and it would happen alot. It kind of added a dimension to his character tbh, but its weird they'd do this with their biggest babyface who always won at the end of pretty much every PPV. The lines were so clearly drawn with your top babyface back then, so i wonder what the intention was there. What do you think?

It depends on whose idea it was for Hogan to do that stuff.

If it was Vince, and Hogan just played along without thinking about it to much, I'd say Vince was probably trying to test the waters with Hogan. Vince didn't like anyone to be bigger than the company itself. He didn't want it to be "Hogan and Andre are coming to town" - he wanted it to be "The WWF is coming to town." He wanted to give drawing power to the company first and the talent second, so, perhaps he was trying to throw some water on the babyface heat to someday set up a heel turn.

If it was Hogan's idea, then I think Hogan was just looking for the spotlight. So grabbing Sid's leg and screwing him over like a heel at least puts Hogan at the center of a major story. In the back of his mind, perhaps he knew, as you say, it ads a new dimension to his character. Fans like flawed heroes and Hogan gambled that fans would love him more if they saw him do something wrong and had the choice to forgive him. He knew if he picked his moment correctly he could get their forgiveness and thus have them invest in him that much more. I don't think Hogan could have ever articulated this, but might have known it by instinct.

If it was both Vince AND Hogan, then some mix of those two.

And it's also worth remembering that Hogan had to get whoever he was going to be working a program with to agree to whatever the instigating moment would be, and perhaps they didn't always want to have to play the chickenshit heel. They might have wanted to have something to justify whatever heel stuff they would end up doing to get heat, so they could be redeemed later if the right moment presented itself.

Or... it was all just done by the seat of their pants. They weren't deep philosophers planning long term stories, they were meatheads and scumbag promoters doing whatever popped into their head in the moment, hoping for the best....

I think the answer is somewhere in all that

 

[HHJ]

It depends on whose idea it was for Hogan to do that stuff.

If it was Vince, and Hogan just played along without thinking about it to much, I'd say Vince was probably trying to test the waters with Hogan. Vince didn't like anyone to be bigger than the company itself. He didn't want it to be "Hogan and Andre are coming to town" - he wanted it to be "The WWF is coming to town." He wanted to give drawing power to the company first and the talent second, so, perhaps he was trying to throw some water on the babyface heat to someday set up a heel turn.

If it was Hogan's idea, then I think Hogan was just looking for the spotlight. So grabbing Sid's leg and screwing him over like a heel at least puts Hogan at the center of a major story. In the back of his mind, perhaps he knew, as you say, it ads a new dimension to his character. Fans like flawed heroes and Hogan gambled that fans would love him more if they saw him do something wrong and had the choice to forgive him. He knew if he picked his moment correctly he could get their forgiveness and thus have them invest in him that much more. I don't think Hogan could have ever articulated this, but might have known it by instinct.

If it was both Vince AND Hogan, then some mix of those two.

And it's also worth remembering that Hogan had to get whoever he was going to be working a program with to agree to whatever the instigating moment would be, and perhaps they didn't always want to have to play the chickenshit heel. They might have wanted to have something to justify whatever heel stuff they would end up doing to get heat, so they could be redeemed later if the right moment presented itself.

Or... it was all just done by the seat of their pants. They weren't deep philosophers planning long term stories, they were meatheads and scumbag promoters doing whatever popped into their head in the moment, hoping for the best....

I think the answer is somewhere in all that

Great response!

 

[Sara]

Thank god Joe stopped hook

 

[deezy]

It depends on whose idea it was for Hogan to do that stuff.

If it was Vince, and Hogan just played along without thinking about it to much, I'd say Vince was probably trying to test the waters with Hogan. Vince didn't like anyone to be bigger than the company itself. He didn't want it to be "Hogan and Andre are coming to town" - he wanted it to be "The WWF is coming to town." He wanted to give drawing power to the company first and the talent second, so, perhaps he was trying to throw some water on the babyface heat to someday set up a heel turn.

If it was Hogan's idea, then I think Hogan was just looking for the spotlight. So grabbing Sid's leg and screwing him over like a heel at least puts Hogan at the center of a major story. In the back of his mind, perhaps he knew, as you say, it ads a new dimension to his character. Fans like flawed heroes and Hogan gambled that fans would love him more if they saw him do something wrong and had the choice to forgive him. He knew if he picked his moment correctly he could get their forgiveness and thus have them invest in him that much more. I don't think Hogan could have ever articulated this, but might have known it by instinct.

If it was both Vince AND Hogan, then some mix of those two.

And it's also worth remembering that Hogan had to get whoever he was going to be working a program with to agree to whatever the instigating moment would be, and perhaps they didn't always want to have to play the chickenshit heel. They might have wanted to have something to justify whatever heel stuff they would end up doing to get heat, so they could be redeemed later if the right moment presented itself.

Or... it was all just done by the seat of their pants. They weren't deep philosophers planning long term stories, they were meatheads and scumbag promoters doing whatever popped into their head in the moment, hoping for the best....

I think the answer is somewhere in all that

It's just people thinking the red and yellow was so hot the fans would think even if the elimination was legal the people would side with the Hulkster because they wanted Hogan to pose pal.

Think Nate Diaz getting pieced up in that BMF fight and people still believing the fight shouldn't have ended because of his carved up face.

 

[HHJ]

It's just people thinking the red and yellow was so hot the fans would think even if the elimination was legal the people would side with the Hulkster because they wanted Hogan to pose pal.

I dont think so.

Sid and Hogan could have just been talkin to each other, and flair gets him when hes not payin attention.

They could have done it like that.

All they do is tell us every man for himself in the Rumble and Sid did what he was supposed to. Hogan fucking basically helping HEEL FLAIR WIN, by illegally INTEFERING with the match LIKE A HEEL?? they absolutley didnt need to do it like that.

There was also a bunch of times when he would tag with Savage that they would make him the ultimate glory hog when they didnt need to. I really think it was something concious that they did there. You cant just go and do stuff like this without Vince's OK.