Hey Glory

[Cocakillbana]

Good job on making up bullshit stats.

An image pops up in round 4 that van Roosmalen has landed 55 punches and Sitthichai just 19. BULL FUCKING SHIT. I'd bet anything those are not even close. The final stat shot showed 108-33. Counting grazes on the arms and whiffs, huh? Fuck off.

Sitthichai 4-1

 

[Bang Rachan]

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Good job on making up bullshit stats.

An image pops up in round 4 that van Roosmalen has landed 55 punches and Sitthichai just 19. BULL FUCKING SHIT. I'd bet anything those are not even close. The final stat shot showed 108-33. Counting grazes on the arms and whiffs, huh? Fuck off.

Sitthichai 4-1

Yeah to me it looks like his punches did not land cleanly he just throws lots of shots with grunts and people say his punches are effective

 

[UWanaPlayDaGame]

Good job on making up bullshit stats.

An image pops up in round 4 that van Roosmalen has landed 55 punches and Sitthichai just 19. BULL FUCKING SHIT. I'd bet anything those are not even close. The final stat shot showed 108-33. Counting grazes on the arms and whiffs, huh? Fuck off.

Sitthichai 4-1

yeah this is blatant and obviously looks shady as fuck. I can barely remember a half a dozen good shots by van Roosmalen in both fights combined. according to Glory he landed hundreds.

 

[BlackPanther]

That was pure Bullshit. Plus everytime sittichai snaps RVR's head these Valtelenni or whatever his name was saying" Does sittichai hits as hard as Roosemalen?" Wtf

 

[SuperLuigi]

I've never taken fight stats seriously. Its even worse in boxing.

 

[jj manchester]

I asked about this and was told that this is the last event that they are using CompuStrike to generate stats for; they've not been happy with them for a while i think. From next event, the stats will be generated by the same team/company that does the UFC. Not sure what they are called

 

[UWanaPlayDaGame]

I've never taken fight stats seriously. Its even worse in boxing.

yeah there's no way those numbers mean anything.

I would only trust fight stats if someone very knowledgeable and trustworthy watched it a few times in slow motion.

 

[DastardlyMass]

I asked about this and was told that this is the last event that they are using CompuStrike to generate stats for; they've not been happy with them for a while i think. From next event, the stats will be generated by the same team/company that does the UFC. Not sure what they are called

did you ask why they continue to use valenti even thou he fucks up every event he refs? Him and al wichgers do not belong anywhere near a professional fight yet they seem to alternate events for glory

 

[DastardlyMass]

Those horrible stats had him landing more kicks than sittchai also. I have watched the fight 3 times now and sittichai lands at minimum 25 more punches and 15 more kicks than rvr

 

[Snubnoze707]

Those stats have always been a joke, and it's flat out embarrassing at this point.

What also bothered me is commentary is talking about "it all depends on what the judges are looking at?"... why is there so much interpretation in the scoring? Set a criteria and follow it.

These issues, along with the reffing, always leave this bad taste in your mouth of what was otherwise a very fun event. It happens too regularly.

 

[AbeRudder]

What was up with the reffing in the Saenchai fight? I thought they were allowed a 3 second clinch in glory? That was some k1 reffing right there.

 

[SuperLuigi]

What also bothered me is commentary is talking about "it all depends on what the judges are looking at?"... why is there so much interpretation in the scoring? Set a criteria and follow it.

These issues, along with the reffing, always leave this bad taste in your mouth of what was otherwise a very fun event. It happens too regularly.

Very much like MMA. I'm pretty numb to it at this point, but it really lets me appreciate the scoring systems that have managed to get around it. Boxing by having many more rounds, and Muay Thai by intentionally prioritizing attacks which clearly score.

 

[Cocakillbana]

Watched the fight back twice, slowed down, and rewatched portions again to get a somewhat accurate number for each.

van Roosmalen

Round 1

3 JABS
2 POWER

Round 2

2 JABS
4 POWER

Round 3

4 JABS
4 POWER

Round 4

3 JABS
8 POWER

Round 5

4 JABS
4 POWER

Total

16 JABS
22 POWER

Sitthichai

Round 1

5 JABS
4 POWER

Round 2

5 JABS
9 POWER

Round 3

5 JABS
8 POWER

Round 4

8 JABS
8 POWER

Round 5

6 JABS
10 POWER

Total

29 JABS
39 POWER

They both did a bit of pawing and I didn't count those. As I thought, the stats were WAY off. Of the 20 best punches of the fight, a good 16 or 17 were from Sitthichai. RVR landed like 5 power punches that were good and clean. 108-33 though.

 

[Bang Rachan]

Those stats have always been a joke, and it's flat out embarrassing at this point.

What also bothered me is commentary is talking about "it all depends on what the judges are looking at?"... why is there so much interpretation in the scoring? Set a criteria and follow it.

These issues, along with the reffing, always leave this bad taste in your mouth of what was otherwise a very fun event. It happens too regularly.

I thought the same thing. How can one of heir top fighters not know how the judges score a fight

 

[jj manchester]

did you ask why they continue to use valenti even thou he fucks up every event he refs? Him and al wichgers do not belong anywhere near a professional fight yet they seem to alternate events for glory

so last night i threw out on twitter that i would like some fellow kickboxing writers to join me in making a joint representation to the ISKA about Valenti, that he is not competent to referee at this level and that we are concerned about the effect his officiating is having not just on fights but potentially on careers, livelihoods. Good response, so I am going to get to work on that this week.

You're right (in other thread) that there wasn't ISKA branding to be seen; i wonder then was this event WAKO? I will find out. Certainly he won't be directly engaged by glory because i hear Glory people at all levels going just as crazy about him as the fans do and if it was within their reach I am sure he would be Joop Ubeda'd into the referee afterlife.

 

[jj manchester]

Wichgers is another one; he is a legitimately dangerous referee and also another one who fucks up fights. The problem with these guys is they have been around forever and often they are personal friends with the people who run the sanctioning bodies like ISKA; on paper they have a formal relationship but a lot of them also go way back with each other and are longtime friends with the sanctioning execs, so they dont get dropped, for personal reasons.

Cecil Peoples is the ultimate. He is literally a joke of an official. The only reason he still gets booked is because of long-term relationships with the relevant people. It's really outrageous that people's careers and safety are placed in the hands of people like this.

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Watching this fight again in HD just shows how much those stats were a joke and I was wrong before for saying this fight was close. I gave sittichai 4-1. And what was up with one of those commentators. Not sure which one it was. He seemed very biased and he did the same when Sittichai fought Marat.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Ya watched it again as well and thought Sittichai won that for sure. Those moments when RVR threw this left hook/right hook flurries literally nothing landed and the commentators were going off.

And can someone explain to me how an inside leg kick that causes redness is highly scoring but a kick to the arm that causes redness doesnt score at all? Valtalini was sounding foolish.

 

[SuperLuigi]

And can someone explain to me how an inside leg kick that causes redness is highly scoring but a kick to the arm that causes redness doesnt score at all? Valtalini was sounding foolish.

My understanding is that catching the kick on the forearms is seen as equivalent to checking a leg kick with your shin, while kicks to the upper arm are scored like a leg kick would be. If you mean the logic behind it, I think it just boils down to the fact that K-1 became really popular, and the dominant attitude became "if it aint broke, dont fix it."

 

[Snubnoze707]

My understanding is that catching the kick on the forearms is seen as equivalent to checking a leg kick with your shin, while kicks to the upper arm are scored like a leg kick would be. If you mean the logic behind it, I think it just boils down to the fact that K-1 became really popular, and the dominant attitude became "if it aint broke, dont fix it."

I'm alright with them not scoring a clean double forearm block of a kick, but it's not like RVR was cleanly blocking everything. A kick to a single forearm is not a block that's a score. A kick to the lower forearm that slides into the body should score as well. The stats certainly didn't reflect the reality of scored kicks.