Here's something for you judo haters

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by IChinaManI, Mar 17, 2008.

  1. IChinaManI

    IChinaManI Green Belt

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  2. Hammer Time

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    amazing harai to stop joe. what i find impressive is that he did it from double overhooks and joe is a competent wrestler who had unders. i like riggs also and hope he comes back from this loss
     
  3. monkey roll

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    who hates judo? It's a beautiful art. I'm a BJJ player, but I try to get in a day of judo each week. I know it's not alot, but it helps by BJJ lots!
     
  4. Mr Bosco

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    I wish to make a few points.

    1. I hate Judo.
    2. I canot stand wearing a grappling gi.
    3. ANY competant wrestler will demolish their opponant in a clinch or an over/under tie up.

    4. Checkout this clip with Kid Yamamoto:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_rs2JaPAYs

    Single leg takedowns rock ad Judo guys cannot sprawl for dollars.
     
  5. Mr Bosco

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    I wish to make a few points.

    1. I hate Judo.
    2. I canot stand wearing a grappling gi.
    3. ANY competant wrestler will demolish their opponant in a clinch or an over/under tie up.

    4. Checkout this clip with Kid Yamamoto:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_rs2JaPAYs

    Single leg takedowns rock and Judo guys cannot sprawl for dollars.
     
  6. Yozigi

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    Apart from the clip you posted, no one really gives a shit about your opinion, kthxbye.
     
  7. CanadaMMA

    CanadaMMA Most MMA fans are idiots

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    Anyone who hates Judo doesn't roll BJJ. Simple as that. Anyone who has any experience with Judo knows how well it translates into BJJ.

    Hell, if I get into a fight, first thing I am doing is grabing the guys coat. I might get a double leg takedown and choke him out, but an Osotogari will knock someone on the floor.
     
  8. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    1. I don't take such a strong stance on most fighting styles as "I hate".... Each style has their own strengths and weaknesses. What I hate are those who polarise to opposite sides - either loving or hating a style - often for irrational, theoretical, one-sided reasons. I don't think you are one of those, though.

    2. Yeah - wearing a gi is definitely hard to get used to. I struggle with grips in no-gi (in the little I have done) - but others (like Karo) have made the transition well.

    3. It depends on who their opponent is, I suppose. Personally I won't judge until I have experienced it for myself.

    4. You're gonna pull thise one out of the bag as an example of one vs another? OK. But remember, Koji Komuro is much more a ground-game specialist. His standup is not the best for a judoka - he wins most of his matches on the ground with almost invariably a "fake-tomoe-to-armbar" tech.

    One video is not proof as there are always videos to the contrary:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTm94LbLNQE

    Oh - and Yamamoto is just awesome.

    It takes some time to adapt but I think an average judoka sprawls OK. The stance in judo can be a lot different, though - often more upright and using hips to block. I have fought a few judoka with wrestling backgrounds and they are definitely very awkward to deal with. They hardly "demolish" their opponents, though.

    So whereabouts in Sydney can you go to get decent no-gi wrestling? I only know of Hornsby PCYC and have been meaning to go there for ages but I keep getting either injured or delayed.
     
  9. IChinaManI

    IChinaManI Green Belt

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    I fight wrestlers all the time, and I can stuff most of their shots. I'll agree however that at lower level judo, wrestlers do really well because of their power and speed. However, at higher levels where technique starts to matter much more than athleticism (because everyone has a high level of athleticism in high level competition), wrestlers tend to get owned.
     
  10. djsoma

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    I train BJJ and I love Judo! Judo throws can be devasting (love the uchi mata) and when going up against a good wrestler it is nice to have Judo to counter that...
     
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    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

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    When it comes to arrogance, catch wrestlers beat everyone. They talk three times as much having done 1/3 of what judoka have.
     
  13. Shaldag

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    I just threw a state wrestler with a judo throw (kosoto gake) from the clinch the other day, ummmmmm.....GSP's Harai makikomi vs the amazing wrestler Matt Hughes? Threadstarter's clip? etc etc.
     
  14. Yojimbo

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    Let me translate for everyone:

    1. I did a couple judo classes and got thrown at will.
    2. I come from a no-gi background and I get my ass kicked in the gi. It makes my pussy hurt.
    3. I'm closed-minded and choose to believe my discipline is the best. I'm also gay. Did I mention that? Yeah, totally gay.
     
  15. cheesesteak

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    lol. i was thinking the same thing. "if i'm not good at something, i hate it!"

    Judo is vicious. i used to think it was just a some Olympic sport until i got thrown around like a rag doll.
     
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    Judo's great stuff. This is why I support clubs that encourages judo and BJJ to crosstrain. They're basically two sides of the same coin.
     
  17. Q mystic

    Q mystic Silver Belt

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    Judoka can't sprawl? Maybe not like a wrestler but some have pretty good sprawls.

    Thing is I'm quite sure judoka prefer to jam rather than sprawl. Mostly due to their way in handling shots in gi I bet but there are a few other reasons...

    1st being that after they do sprawl and stop a wrestler, they arent prepared for the wrestlers quick withdrawal and end up almost flopping on their face, or at least in a bad spot due to the wrestlers surprising speed at them.(they do 10's of 1000's shots)

    2nd is that jamming offers a judoka more opportunities to do what he does. I'd tell you but that just might blow your mind.:D

    3rd prolly in that a judoka would 'much rather do a clinch' from a nice 'jam', drop the shot, and go for a throw to show a wrestler their surprising speed at them.(they do 10's of 1000's of throws):D

    OTOH, when you have a decent back game on the ground and you fight a wrestler, you might even want to let them get the shot.

    ...I love wrestling tho.
     
  18. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    LMAO @ "makes my pussy hurt"
     
  19. B.A. Ben Askren

    B.A. Ben Askren Yellow Belt

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    That's impressive. Did you have a Gi on because I think that plays alot into it though. How old was he and how old are you and how long had he been doing Gi work (assuming you had a Gi on) What state are you both from also? Just curious.

    I have to say I think your second statement does not matter much seeing as that throw is found in wrestling AND more importantly GSP is a better pure wrestler, let alone MMA wrestler, than Matt Hughes. Not saying that its not impressive but I think you could find a better example than this.
     
  20. tudor_bjj

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    Please tell me that guy Komuro is not a judo player! He looked awful. I know kid has great wrestling skills, but he pwned that other guy.
     

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