Help! GSP VS Diaz??

[sickgunho]

this is why... because GSP never call someone before and he ask for Diaz big time
and let be clear it going to be a great fight GSP will get the W.

 

[jeremyadavies]

Dunno man, can you convince me that GSP is better than Diaz at anything accept tackling? Maybe leg kicks?

Hahaha, using your logic 'Tyson is only better at punching than Spongebob' would be a fair argument as to Spongebob being the better boxer!!!

 

[Chramelated]

Gsp 50-45.

 

[Jay Jay]

BJ Penn handily outwrestled Jon Fitch in the first TWO rounds and instantly took Fitch's back on both occassions.

Round 1

Round 2

Whereas, this very BJ Penn landed just 1 out of 4 TD attempts against Nick Diaz, and even with that takedown Penn landed in the first round, Diaz managed to scramble back up from it.

Stop conveniently dismissing this vital piece of evidence simply because it doesn't conform to your mis-conceived notions about Diaz

 

[613]

Have you seen Diaz's first few fights in the UFC? he swept all the wrestlers that got on top of him and stuffed 17 of 19 TD's from Sherk easily and dropped Diego Sanchez in the 3rd.

His BJJ game off his back is very active, he's always working for a submission or a sweep. And really, Nick Diaz isn't an easy fight for anybody. GSP staying in Nick's guard and bumping him with elbows isn't the best idea because Nick is the most dangerous guy from the guard that GSP will face and every person that stayed in his guard either got swept, submitted, or went back to standing position.

We all saw that GSP didn't want to mess with Shields on the ground, and both those guys train together and imo Nick is more crafty off his back than Shields. Shields is mostly a top position guy, just like BJ Penn. Diaz is dangerous on top or off his back.

Why will it be a good fight? well, have you really ever been bored when any of the Diaz bros were fighting? if anything, GSP will be the one to make the fight boring. Diaz is always working and never stalls and is always trying to finish.

So has he ever beaten a top wrestler? Yes he sweeps guys allot (so does Condit) but facts are he always loses close decisions to wrestlers. He has not faced any good ones in like 5 years so maybe he can sub top wrestlers now but he has never shown that he will be able to sub GSP who is WAY better in top control then anyone Nick has fought.

Chances are GSP keeps it standing and takes advantage of Nicks ridiculously poor footwork

 

[613]

Chances are it will be much more one sided then Rory vs Nate

 

[Jay Jay]

So has he ever beaten a top wrestler? Yes he sweeps guys allot (so does Condit) but facts are he always loses close decisions to wrestlers. He has not faced any good ones in like 5 years so maybe he can sub top wrestlers now but he has never shown that he will be able to sub GSP who is WAY better in top control then anyone Nick has fought.

Chances are GSP keeps it standing and takes advantage of Nicks ridiculously poor footwork

BJ Penn is a pretty dang good MMA wrestler, who happened to outwrestle Jon Fitch in the first two rounds. Just because he hasn't wrestled at the NCAA D1 level doesn't mean his wrestling in MMA isn't any good

Diaz dealt with Penn's offensive wrestling just fine - far better than Fitch

 

[Rampeazy77]

Have you seen Diaz's first few fights in the UFC? he swept all the wrestlers that got on top of him and stuffed 17 of 19 TD's from Sherk easily and dropped Diego Sanchez in the 3rd.

His BJJ game off his back is very active, he's always working for a submission or a sweep. And really, Nick Diaz isn't an easy fight for anybody. GSP staying in Nick's guard and bumping him with elbows isn't the best idea because Nick is the most dangerous guy from the guard that GSP will face and every person that stayed in his guard either got swept, submitted, or went back to standing position.

We all saw that GSP didn't want to mess with Shields on the ground, and both those guys train together and imo Nick is more crafty off his back than Shields. Shields is mostly a top position guy, just like BJ Penn. Diaz is dangerous on top or off his back.

Why will it be a good fight? well, have you really ever been bored when any of the Diaz bros were fighting? if anything, GSP will be the one to make the fight boring. Diaz is always working and never stalls and is always trying to finish.

Well put.... Looking forward to seeing this fight.

 

[613]

BJ Penn is a pretty dang good MMA wrestler, who happened to outwrestle Jon Fitch in the first two rounds. Just because he hasn't wrestled at the NCAA D1 level doesn't mean his wrestling in MMA isn't any good

Diaz dealt with Penn's offensive wrestling just fine - far better than Fitch

Penn is a amazing MMA wrestler when fresh! I would even say one of the best. But he got 3 of his TDs stuffed in the second and third round when he was incredibly gassed.


Does that really matter anyways? Nick WONT stuff GSPs TDs (no one does) and GSPs top control is as good as it gets. hat do you expect to happen? Nick stuffs GSPs TDs and lights him up on the feet? GSP takes him down and gets subbed? Thats not happening!

Only way GSP will lose at WW is if a better version of him comes along or someone with KO power lands a big strike that he does not see coming.

 

[Jay Jay]

Penn is a amazing MMA wrestler when fresh! I would even say one of the best. But he got 3 of his TDs stuffed in the second and third round when he was incredibly gassed.


Does that really matter anyways? Nick WONT stuff GSPs TDs (no one does) and GSPs top control is as good as it gets. hat do you expect to happen? Nick stuffs GSPs TDs and lights him up on the feet? GSP takes him down and gets subbed? Thats not happening!

Only way GSP will lose at WW is if a better version of him comes along or someone with KO power lands a big strike that he does not see coming.

Why are you bringing up GSP/Diaz all of a sudden?

In my post you quoted, the point I am making is that BJ Penn actually a good MMA wrestler, which is a response to your inaccurate claim that "Diaz hasn't faced a good wrestler in MMA in the past 5 years"

I even attached GIFs to corroborate my point


Round 1

Round 2

 

[613]

Why are you bringing up GSP/Diaz all of a sudden?

In my post you quoted, the point I am making is that BJ Penn actually a good MMA wrestler, which is a response to your inaccurate claim that "Diaz hasn't faced a good wrestler in MMA in the past 5 years"

I even attached GIFs to corroborate my point


Round 1

Round 2

Ok i should have said Nick has not faced any good wrestlers that can last more then one round without gassing. Penn is a great wrestler for ONE round! Nick stuffing Penn when he was gassed does not impress me

 

[Jay Jay]

Ok i should have said Nick has not faced any good wrestlers that can last more then one round without gassing. Penn is a great wrestler for ONE round! Nick stuffing Penn when he was gassed does not impress me

For your information, BJ took down Fitch in Round 2 as well, but couldn't take down Nick beyond Round 1. If anything, you'd think BJ would be more gassed against Fitch after spending some time on his back near the end of Rd 1...since conventional wisdom goes: grappling is more physically taxing than striking.

 

[Break Brick]

Woodly probobly would gas.

Honestly, I could see Hendricks KOing Diaz early. He has C-4 in his hands and Diaz is not exactly the hardest guy to hit.

people said exactly the same about daley

 

[That209]

So has he ever beaten a top wrestler? Yes he sweeps guys allot (so does Condit) but facts are he always loses close decisions to wrestlers. He has not faced any good ones in like 5 years so maybe he can sub top wrestlers now but he has never shown that he will be able to sub GSP who is WAY better in top control then anyone Nick has fought.

Chances are GSP keeps it standing and takes advantage of Nicks ridiculously poor footwork

He arguably beat Sherk, who won the LW title in his next fight. Nick outlanded Sherk and got the better of the grappling.

He also arguably beat Joe Riggs as well. He landed double the amount of strikes that Riggs threw at him, and defended 5 out of 8 TD's and even dropped Riggs.

I truly believe that people that say Nick can't hang with wrestlers honestly never watched his fights against them and just looked at Wikipedia. Nick, Nate, and their team have already stated that if it's a close fight, they're never going to get the judges decision even if they should have won in most people's eyes. They're not just fighting their opponent, they're fighting the judges too. Especially in Nick's case, 2 close fights against Sherk and Riggs that tons of people thought Nick should have won Cecil People's acts like Nick got his ass kicked.

But I'll let Jay Jay take it from here, not in the mood for arguing today.

 

[613]

For your information, BJ took down Fitch in Round 2 as well, but couldn't take down Nick beyond Round 1. If anything, you'd think BJ would be more gassed against Fitch after spending some time on his back near the end of Rd 1...since conventional wisdom goes: grappling is more physically taxing than striking.

What people always forget is that Fitch has amazing offensive wrestling but he gets taken down by EVERYONE that tries. Also Penn did not shoot for a TD (his only attempt round 2) in the second until after Nick had pushed him up against the cage for most of the round. Penn look very gassed after.

The only round Penn was fresh he took Nick down, took his back and limited any offense from Nick. Nick only got up because Penn stood up and basically let him up. Nick is still very unproven against wrestlers

 

[613]

He arguably beat Sherk, who won the LW title in his next fight. Nick outlanded Sherk and got the better of the grappling.

He also arguably beat Joe Riggs as well. He landed double the amount of strikes that Riggs threw at him, and defended 5 out of 8 TD's and even dropped Riggs.

I truly believe that people that say Nick can't hang with wrestlers honestly never watched his fights against them and just looked at Wikipedia. Nick, Nate, and their team have already stated that if it's a close fight, they're never going to get the judges decision even if they should have won in most people's eyes. They're not just fighting their opponent, they're fighting the judges too. Especially in Nick's case, 2 close fights against Sherk and Riggs that tons of people thought Nick should have won Cecil People's acts like Nick got his ass kicked.

But I'll let Jay Jay take it from here, not in the mood for arguing today.

At the end of the day "arguably" does not mean shit! GSP, Jones, Anderson, Aldo etc.. they CLEARLY handle wrestlers not arguably. Nick can hang with wrestlers (GSP is 10 times the wrestler he has ever fought though) but you need to better then just "hang" with wrestlers to show you have any chance with GSP.

 

[That209]

At the end of the day "arguably" does not mean shit! GSP, Jones, Anderson, Aldo etc.. they CLEARLY handle wrestlers not arguably. Nick can hang with wrestlers (GSP is 10 times the wrestler he has ever fought though) but you need to better then just "hang" with wrestlers to show you have any chance with GSP.

Nick wasn't even a black belt level at the time, and he was sweeping these guys and giving them some of their hardest fights. They were 6-7 years ago, Nick has improved and he'll fight GSP. Win/lose, he's going to give GSP a hell of a fight off his back.

 

[613]

Nick wasn't even a black belt level at the time, and he was sweeping these guys and giving them some of their hardest fights. They were 6-7 years ago, Nick has improved and he'll fight GSP. Win/lose, he's going to give GSP a hell of a fight off his back.

Sure Nick has improved but he really has not got a chance to show it since he has not fought some one with great top control (Besides Penn who gassed BAD and he still limited any offense Nick put up from his back) in years. Right now it is all speculation.

And no one is giving GSP hell of there back! Condit i guess sort of did but that was because Condit throws a million punches/elbows from his back. Nick does not do that nearly as much.

If Nick fans are banking on a sub win for Nick they are going to be very disappointed. I don't even think Maia could sub GSP from his back. But i wont be surprised if GSP decides to keep it standing and take advantage of Nicks poor footwork

 

[Break Brick]

At the end of the day "arguably" does not mean shit! GSP, Jones, Anderson, Aldo etc.. they CLEARLY handle wrestlers not arguably. Nick can hang with wrestlers (GSP is 10 times the wrestler he has ever fought though) but you need to better then just "hang" with wrestlers to show you have any chance with GSP.

At the end of the day none of this subjective breaking down of future fights means shit. On paper Diaz has at least a good chance of giving GSP a tough fight off his back. There's not too many previous or potential opponents of/for GSP we can say that about.
It should be exciting, cant any of us even agree on that? lol

 

[613]

At the end of the day none of this subjective breaking down of future fights means shit. On paper Diaz has at least a good chance of giving GSP a tough fight off his back. There's not too many previous or potential opponents of/for GSP we can say that about.
It should be exciting, cant any of us even agree on that? lol

I think it will be exciting but i fear some Nick fans will be screaming LnP (which most people do not even know what means) after or "Nick didn't lose he just ran out of time". Honestly i feel this will be GSPs most one sided fight since Kos or Penn 2

Not expecting a Diego Sanchez vs. Karo Parisyan type of fight