Has there been any archival of Worlds the last few years?

[Kenny from MD]

I really like Flo Grappling's coverage and think the subscription thing will be a really cool idea overall if it continues to grow. But I was watching a friend's stream with him, so I haven't explored the benefits of the site. Do they archive the footage so you can access it later, or save videos of matches?

DVD's to me are pretty much worthless and outdated, I've purged myself of them, but I remember my first trip to Brazil, I was buying burnt DVD's of tons and tons and tons of past events. I bought every DVD that had Terere on it, because I wanted to be able to access those matches. With Budo bowing out, and no longer producing Pan Ams and Worlds DVD's, will there still be a place to watch these matches years from now?

I know there are people who screen-record and drop things on YouTube, or record from the stands, but it would be a real shame if all this work went into production, and went by the wayside in the future.

 

[anaconda]

I don't know how long they keep everything, but if you go on now you can watch just about all of the black belt matches, archived and listed individually. Their search sucks but if you google a match it will pull a flo link. Like "edwin najmi michael liera 2016" and it will show up.

I'm not sure if matches from pans are still but but they did the same thing.

That's why it blows my mind when people complain about the $20 a month!

 

[Kenny from MD]

If they build a library, this will rival Spotify as one of the most worth-it subscription purchases. Ever.

 

[JoelThomas]

Neither 2014 nor 2015 worlds are on Flograppling. There are highlights and clips everywhere, but I don't know of an option to buy footage of the whole event anywhere. Which is kind of insane. Nogi worlds 2015 is still up, which leads me to believe they take down major events after a year.

 

[trustdoesntrust]

If they build a library, this will rival Spotify as one of the most worth-it subscription purchases. Ever.

This opens a giant can of worms, imo, about the IBJJF not compensating their athletes. It's one thing to have to pay a registration fee for the honor of competing in the biggest tournament in the world, and still another thing for that tournament to stream over the internet-- but it's going too far when they're making money off archiving your matches. If you're one of the more marketable names that competed like Keenan, Buchecha, Rafa, etc. then that's your fight library flograppling is leveraging to build their website. As a fighter, you either need the matches freely available on youtube in order to advertise your success, or you need to control the right to include them on your DVD's and/or online subscription service.

 

[Kenny from MD]

That's a very good point, that I am far too un-business-like to know how to address.
Ethically, one should be able to have license to footage of themselves.
Legally, I assume the entities throwing the event would own all rights to footage through releases built into registration? I doubt fighters in the UFC get a kickback for their matches on Fight Pass.

As FloGrappling seems to be investing into the sport dramatically, I think they would be able to come up with a sensible solution.

 

[JustTheTip]

I have FloGrappling.Is there a way watch the lower belt matches like Pans?

 

[mataleaos]

I have FloGrappling.Is there a way watch the lower belt matches like Pans?

There is, but it's complicated. Sometimes they will go through and separate the matches based on names and you can search by that. But with other events they've just had it like (mat 8, day 2, hour 3) so it's hard to search. But if you know the person competing and you can ask them or look through old brackets and schedules to see what time they competed, it's possible to find it that way.

 

[JustTheTip]

There is, but it's complicated. Sometimes they will go through and separate the matches based on names and you can search by that. But with other events they've just had it like (mat 8, day 2, hour 3) so it's hard to search. But if you know the person competing and you can ask them or look through old brackets and schedules to see what time they competed, it's possible to find it that way.

Yeah I saw they did that for Pans. I screenshotted some of the brackets.For Pans they had the videos up the next day though.

 

[mataleaos]

Yeah I saw they did that for Pans. I screenshotted some of the brackets.For Pans they had the videos up the next day though.

Damn well maybe it'll take longer? I hope they do.

 

[trustdoesntrust]

That's a very good point, that I am far too un-business-like to know how to address.
Ethically, one should be able to have license to footage of themselves.
Legally, I assume the entities throwing the event would own all rights to footage through releases built into registration? I doubt fighters in the UFC get a kickback for their matches on Fight Pass.

As FloGrappling seems to be investing into the sport dramatically, I think they would be able to come up with a sensible solution.

Athletes in big sports like the NFL collectively bargain those rights, and so each player either gets a payment every time their old highlights are used, or they pre-negotiate compensation that's included in a broader payout. Obviously it's different with MMA, much less BJJ, where the rights fees are smaller, but you could argue that this magnifies the need for individual athletes to be able to control their names. Since the 'business model' for sport BJJ relies on the fact that the fans of the sport are also practitioners, it is a necessity that these athletes be able to reach those fans/practitioners. What good does it do Lucas Lepri, for instance, to have his dominating run completely unavailable to masses of fans who will instead just google some Eddie Cummings heel hook attack because it's free and visible?

 

[cjd]

Neither 2014 nor 2015 worlds are on Flograppling. There are highlights and clips everywhere, but I don't know of an option to buy footage of the whole event anywhere. Which is kind of insane. Nogi worlds 2015 is still up, which leads me to believe they take down major events after a year.

Did Flograppling exist in time for worlds last year or 2014?

 

[mike sherry]

sucks how the only reasonable way to get these is to torrent them

 

[JoelThomas]

Did Flograppling exist in time for worlds last year or 2014?

Pretty sure yes on 2015, 2014 I don't remember if was still Budo Videos, but if so, they're not selling a DVD of it.

 

[nodferatu]

Ethically, one should be able to have license to footage of themselves.
Legally, I assume the entities throwing the event would own all rights to footage through releases built into registration?

As FloGrappling seems to be investing into the sport dramatically, I think they would be able to come up with a sensible solution.

I'm fairly certain that it is built into the registration form of you giving consent for them to use your image any way they see fit. You get zero compensation for any video they use of you, except the privilege of them using it by signing up. And then you have to pay for any photo they took of you, for you to have a non-watermarked copy.

If you don't like it, well then there's always another tournament organization who will do the same thing.

Someone, somewhere, tried saying that Flo is good for the sport because they pay athletes LOL. I think Flo is just using an extremely opportunistic time to get into the market and monopolize it.

 

[trustdoesntrust]

I'm fairly certain that it is built into the registration form of you giving consent for them to use your image any way they see fit. You get zero compensation for any video they use of you, except the privilege of them using it by signing up. And then you have to pay for any photo they took of you, for you to have a non-watermarked copy.

If you don't like it, well then there's always another tournament organization who will do the same thing.

Someone, somewhere, tried saying that Flo is good for the sport because they pay athletes LOL. I think Flo is just using an extremely opportunistic time to get into the market and monopolize it.

i don't think the problem is the athletes not sharing the pennies flograppling pays to broadcast ibjjf (though covering their entry and travel fees would be nice). to me, the real issue is that flograppling chokes public access to the competition footage so they can use it as a loss leader to get subscriptions. in a niche sport like bjj, it's a necessity for individual athletes to be able to show off their accomplishments to the public. for example, how else did keenan cornelius get so famous if not for footage of him dominating as a brown belt?