I was just having a conversation with a friend about Jones and his ridiculous frame. Of course, his frame and reach is a HUGE advantage in many aspects of the fight, but I was arguing that it's a disadvantage in other aspects. Wrestling for one. Now, I'm obviously not trying to discredit the effectiveness of Jones' wrestling. He just outwrestled DC, so the proof is in the pudding. But my point is that Jones did that despite his physical tools, not because of them. He's worked out how to make his wrestling game work for his body type. My friend was trying to argue against this, saying that the long limbs help with leverage, which certainly seems to be true, but... is there another example of this? I'm been trying to come up with another example of a long, lanky fighter having so much success with their wrestling and I just can't come up with one. The vast majority of successful MMA wrestlers are shorter, stockier guys, or at the very least, they have average frames which are heavily muscled. When I think of great MMA wrestlers I think of DC, Hendricks, Cain, Coleman, Randleman, Brock etc... certainly not guys like Struve, Hornbuckle, Torres etc. The best I can come up with in comparison to someone like Jones is the TDD of someone like Barao, but his offensive wrestling isn't anything to write home about. Maybe Weidman? But again, I wouldn't call him skinny and tall, just not heavily muscled. So, what say you Shertards, is Jones a great wrestler despite his frame, or does it obviously help his wrestling? I think that he uses his frame incredibly well to help his wrestling... but that frame is usually a disadvantage when it comes to the wrestling game.