Lauzon vs Held is the best example for me. Probably cause Held is from my city and he was a really good prospect. Seeing him lose a clear decision that should have gone to him was brutal. Joe Lauzon was a complete class act though, will always respect him for that.Rampage vs Ninja Rua
Lauzon said he thought he lost to Marcin Held
Also remember when one judge scored the Felder RDA fight for Felder and he just shook his head in disbelief knowing he lost
I think hes talking about the part where Jones said he believes he won the fight and that the takedowns were the difference. People just cant move on from Reyes for some reason. He lost.Do you have an exact quote for reference?
Jan vs Uncle Aev.I notice that during controversial fights where most would consider it a robbery,, the person who won usually declares they felt they won, e.g. Paddy beating Gordon, and today Haney beating Loma (not sure if it was a robbery, only saw highlights)
Has there been any instance where a fight was a clear robbery, and the fighter who was awarded the win admitted they felt they lost?
Also, do you think that would earn more respect from fans, by being the bigger man and admitting you robbed your opponent and should have lost?
came in here to mention that, Couture's face said it allWay back machine. Couture/Rizzo 1
Nothing happened in rounds 1 and 2. In round 3 Machida attacked and landed some. That's it, nothing else happened.No to which part? He did backtrack on it. I guess every decision is subjective but lyoto did even less than rampage in that fight IMO. Although i have not seen it for years.
That's not a fair assesment of the fight. Things did happen in rounds 1 and 2. Not a lot but still. The td in the second and machidas backpeddaling lost him the two first rounds. And rampage did a decent job of cutting him off.Nothing happened in rounds 1 and 2. In round 3 Machida attacked and landed some. That's it, nothing else happened.
By UFC rules you could argue that Page won 29-28 because he kinda sorta more or less plodded forward for 2 rounds, giving him both 10-9 for "aggression", since no damage was done. But that's the huge flaw of the 10-9 must system because if those two rounds are 10-9 then the last one where finally some damage was done theoretically should have been scored 10-8 for Machida due to the scale of difference. That would have been ridiculous though, because a round with one successful blitz can't be a 10-8.
That's why the ideal score for that fight would be 10-10, 10-10 and 10-9 for Machida, making it 30-29 for Machida. Just barely winning but winning nonetheless based on the most important criteria: damage.
TLDR: Machida would have rightfully won if the two opening rounds were scored 10-10 due to lack of action from both sides. We need more 10-10 rounds in MMA.
PS. Media and fans gave it to Machida.
http://mmadecisions.com/decision/2030/fight
PPS. Sherdog's Chris Nelson scored the fight 30-29 Machida just like I did.
https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-123-Results-Live-PlaybyPlay-28239
FightMetric had it as a draw, which would've also been fine and fair enough.
Yes, things did happen but they equaled each other out. For example, Page got a takedown in Rnd2 and Machida got a knockdown also in Rnd2.That's not a fair assesment of the fight. Things did happen in rounds 1 and 2. Not a lot but still. The td in the second and machidas backpeddaling lost him the two first rounds. And rampage did a decent job of cutting him off.
The media and fans get a lot of decisions wrong.
Anyways it was not a great fight and I would love to see some rule changes, I don't think more 10-10 rounds is the solution we have all been looking for but maybe I'm wrong. Ofc after watching the entire fight it would have felt more fair if they gave it to Machida after the third round but this is what happened when fights get scored round by round.
edit: i forgot to delete a bit while i was responding!
Knockdown at the end of the round was a trip really if thats the one you are talking about. No I did not. We don't score fight by criteria we wish would be implemented. Anyone is free to disagree but it was a close fight and there is nothing weird about rampage getting the nod.Yes, things did happen but they equaled each other out. For example, Page got a takedown in Rnd2 and Machida got a knockdown also in Rnd2.
And I think You prove my point by saying "Ofc after watching the entire fight it would have felt more fair if they gave it to Machida after the third round but this is what happened when fights get scored round by round."
Page won the rounds, Machida won the fight - ergo, the scoring system is flawed.
That's not a fair assesment of the fight. Things did happen in rounds 1 and 2. Not a lot but still. The td in the second and machidas backpeddaling lost him the two first rounds. And rampage did a decent job of cutting him off.
The media and fans get a lot of decisions wrong.
Anyways it was not a great fight and I would love to see some rule changes, I don't think more 10-10 rounds is the solution we have all been looking for but maybe I'm wrong. Ofc after watching the entire fight it would have felt more fair if they gave it to Machida after the third round but this is what happened when fights get scored round by round.
edit: i forgot to delete a bit while i was responding!
I do agree that it was a close fight and there is nothing weird about rampage getting the nod with the existing 10-point-must ruleset. Stay cool, mr Pengiun. ;]Knockdown at the end of the round was a trip really if thats the one you are talking about. No I did not. We don't score fight by criteria we wish would be implemented. Anyone is free to disagree but it was a close fight and there is nothing weird about rampage getting the nod.
You aswell sherbro. I agree that with a ruleset better suited for mma machida is the winner.I do agree that it was a close fight and there is nothing weird about rampage getting the nod with the existing 10-point-must ruleset. Stay cool, mr Pengiun. ;]
Run Forrest Run...was his new nickname lol.UFC 148 Griffin vs Ortiz 3 Right after the fight Griffin ran out of the cage because he knew he lost but didn't take in account the moron judges
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blachowicz said 'i did not win that fight', straight out, in one of the post-fight interviews. i think it might have been the last one he had (although that was a draw).
Good find. He looked upset when declared the winner. Had the look of well, whatever i guess