Harder puncher, Wlad or Wilder?

[CastletonSnob]

Obviously, they both hit hard, being heavyweights. But who hits harder? I say Wlad's power is more proven, but Wilder has speed to go with his power.

 

[Philtard]

Wilder could knock out a horse with those looping punches. It's what he's got.

Wilder by far.

 

[spacetime]

Obviously, they both hit hard, being heavyweights. But who hits harder? I say Wlad's power is more proven, but Wilder has speed to go with his power.

Wlad. Arguably best right cross of all time.

 

[Married...With Boxing]

Looks like Wlad has more brute force and Wilder more snap, to me. Wilder's right hand might be the most explosive thing either has. But Wlad's got a stack of top ten names he's tested his strength against. Wilder has fought two guys that have been in the top ten when he fought them, I think? Ortiz and the first Stiverne fight that went the distance. It's not an ideal situation to compare them. Ortiz may be as good as anybody Wlad fought though, but he himself has a very brief history of fighting anyone of note to be chin-checked against, so I'm not even sure about that or how durable he really is. Wilder is the only true-blue heavyweight puncher he's faced with a name in the pros. But it's possible he could've had a granite chin. I just don't know.

Wilder also takes a lot more risk to land everything behind his shots than Wlad.
Szpilka and Liakhovich are KO's where maybe either one is likely to happen to a very good puncher in a whole career but both make me think he's a great puncher, like Wlad, despite his lack of top-rated opponents. Wlad's left hook on Chambers and Pulev, as well as his right against Thompson in the first match are probably his best examples of taking one shot against a top ten guy and laying them out, which is quite a lot of evidence of his power. But he also looks to me like someone who puts guys into defensive mode much more than Wilder. Durable guys like Ibragimov and guys who love to get in and finish big like Haye, as well as already-defensive guys like Chambers, when he picks away at them, they often start to close up shop in a way I don't normally see with Wilder's opponents. Like they're reacting to his power far more before they get wobbled, downed or stopped for Wlad than for Deontay. I hope we get a lot more to judge by from Wilder. He's fun to watch.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

The only people who can answer that are their opponents. Shame they don’t have any opponents that they both fought

Ko ratio is misleading because wlad knocked out far better competition. The people I’ve read interviews that fought wlad have generally been universal in agreeing that no one hits harder

 

[Philtard]

I'm just going with there is no way a straight punch is as forceful as a looping punch. Wlad obviously has that down.

I don't think it generated as much force. Then again they are also nowhere near accurate as a straight punch either.

 

[spacetime]

I'm just going with there is no way a straight punch is as forceful as a looping punch. Wlad obviously has that down.

I don't think it generated as much force. Then again they are also nowhere near accurate as a straight punch either.

Well Wilder does have a reach advantage. But Lewis has even bigger one. When the the margin is so small and all else is fairly equal, you gotta go with the guy with the longer arms. So If you had Lewis throw looping punches, they would probably trump both.

 

[PUO3]

Power is always a little tricky to try to quantify/compare.

Wlad is a huge puncher with great form.

Wilder is a terrifying puncher and the destruction that comes with sloppy, off balance, poorly landed, or short punches is just absurd.

Because of how/what often gets it done, I lean towards Wilder. Carrying such force through that lack of technique is crazy.

 

[wilddeuces]

Wilder, I would say, if we are talking strictly the power of the punch and nothing else.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Power is always a little tricky to try to quantify/compare.

Wlad is a huge puncher with great form.

Wilder is a terrifying puncher and the destruction that comes with sloppy, off balance, poorly landed, or short punches is just absurd.

Because of how/what often gets it done, I lean towards Wilder. Carrying such force through that lack of technique is crazy.

He also has great power in the straight rights now too. When he maintained his technique to counter Ortiz, he threw some beautiful counter rights, right down the pipe. He landed them twice, i think, which set him up to lay Ortiz out.

That being said, I would say Wlad. He carries power more consistently, in all of his punches, even his jab. Moreover, if Wlad through a wild punch with full leverage, he would kill someone.

 

[Prefect]

Power is always a little tricky to try to quantify/compare.

Wlad is a huge puncher with great form.

Wilder is a terrifying puncher and the destruction that comes with sloppy, off balance, poorly landed, or short punches is just absurd.

Because of how/what often gets it done, I lean towards Wilder. Carrying such force through that lack of technique is crazy.

I am waiting for Wilder to break his hands with sloppy punching.

 

[nastyleft]

Remember the thread where some guy that used to spar with all the HWs of the last 15 yrs said Wlad was by far the most devastating puncher he's ever faced? One of you guys posted it here from some other boxing forum.

 

[spacetime]

Remember the thread where some guy that used to spar with all the HWs of the last 15 yrs said Wlad was by far the most devastating puncher he's ever faced? One of you guys posted it here from some other boxing forum.

Yeah, I was going to mention that but I couldn't remember which one he rated the highest. He worded it strangely with Foreman. Maybe we can dig it up.

 

[aries]

Power is always a little tricky to try to quantify/compare.

Wlad is a huge puncher with great form.

Wilder is a terrifying puncher and the destruction that comes with sloppy, off balance, poorly landed, or short punches is just absurd.

Because of how/what often gets it done, I lean towards Wilder. Carrying such force through that lack of technique is crazy.

His technique for throwing as hard as he can is good for generating power much like someone who is good at punching one of the those punch machines. Most times boxers are concerned about other factors when they throw a punch like not overcomitting, not telegraphing, not ending up off balance, and not throwing easy to see looping punches. Wilder doesn't pay those factors much attention and just throws as hard as he can which is why his punches look more like a baseball pitch. The technique that he uses is for maximum force generation not in spite of it.

 

[Shoemaker]

He also has great power in the straight rights now too. When he maintained his technique to counter Ortiz, he threw some beautiful counter rights, right down the pipe. He landed them twice, i think, which set him up to lay Ortiz out.

That being said, I would say Wlad. He carries power more consistently, in all of his punches, even his jab. Moreover, if Wlad through a wild punch with full leverage, he would kill someone.

His brother could probably take that punch, but he'd be retarded afterward.

 

[PUO3]

His technique for throwing as hard as he can is good for generating power much like someone who is good at punching one of the those punch machines. Most times boxers are concerned about other factors when they throw a punch like not overcomitting, not telegraphing, not ending up off balance, and not throwing easy to see looping punches. Wilder doesn't pay those factors much attention and just throws as hard as he can which is why his punches look more like a baseball pitch. The technique that he uses is for maximum force generation not in spite of it.

Its one thing to wind up and throw with everything you have cleanly.

Its another to throw off balance, at awkward angles, land on the side/inside of your hand, and still decapitate people.

 

[aries]

Its one thing to wind up and throw with everything you have cleanly.

Its another to throw off balance, at awkward angles, land on the side/inside of your hand, and still decapitate people.

Wilder throws for power, overlooking everything else. That's why he looks so off balance because he commits with everything he has. His punches aren't the most accurate as a result but they get the job done because of the power he puts behind them.

 

[spacetime]

Why u guys pissing on Wilder? He doesn't always throw loopin punches. His jab is better than retired Lennox lewis

 

[PUO3]

He also has great power in the straight rights now too. When he maintained his technique to counter Ortiz, he threw some beautiful counter rights, right down the pipe. He landed them twice, i think, which set him up to lay Ortiz out.

That being said, I would say Wlad. He carries power more consistently, in all of his punches, even his jab. Moreover, if Wlad through a wild punch with full leverage, he would kill someone.

His straights are awesome. Hes got a lot of snap on them.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

His straights are awesome. Hes got a lot of snap on them.

Yea, he was throwing that counter right amazingly. I think his last 2 fights showed a marked improvement with his right hand, when he stays in control. Granted, the Stiverne fight was a joke.