International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war.

[MicroBrew]

plenty of examples trough history. During the reconqista when Jews were forced to leave Al Andalus (Spain) because of Christian persécutions they came back to north Africa and lived as normal citizens then.

when salahudine al ayyubi took back Jerusalem he forbid and punished harshly any mistreatment of the christians living here despite having been to war with them

more recently during WW2 Morocco hid lots of Jews to protect them from the persecutions in Europe at that time

even more recently Egypt adopted a strong stance to protect his Christan copt community

the UAE is a very multicultural place with people from all religions

now can Muslim countries intolerant ? yes they are a lot of time but that depend on your definition of tolerance and we can have a lengthy philosophical debate on that

Now outside of all that I don't see how it has to do with the fact that many posters here cheered for the death of Gaza's people, as well as majority of western nation leaders do (for the latter they do not condemn any Israeli strike against civilians, 1700 dead including almost 400 children as of today, what's the difference with cheering).

Not Hamas. Gaza's people. And I don't see how Muslim countries being intolerant excuses it.

Re. UAE
I've lived there. It's a very racist place. They have indentured servitude (a form of slavery). They are abusive and exploitative of migrant workers from poor regions, like S. Asia, Ethiopia, Philippines. On the surface they are religiously tolerant, because it is good for business. But it's a facade. When I lived there they demolished the church I used to attend because it was on prime real estate. Us non Muslims all knew never to get into religious arguments with a Muslim person, even if the Muslim person initiates it, because the law will always blame the non Muslim.

 

[Redando]

You’re not an honest actor in this discussion. I’m not going to take you seriously

just answer the question.
You are making claims. When I question you with valid questions. You start to deflect and avoiding the valid questions.

 

[Rational Poster]

No it doesn't actually.
It misleads the reader to believing the "Palestinian Bedouin" exist only in the WB and Gaza as you pretty much previously falsely stated without realizing that there are far more Bedouin living within Israel than in Palestinian territories who continue with their nomadic lifestyle. Unrecognized Bedouin villages which are populated by Bedouin who continue to live their traditional lifestyle within Israel is a complicated social issue.
The map only demonstrated a false representation of "historical" Palestinian borders which never existed and not Bedouin demographics in any regard.

It doesn't say anything about it being the historical representation of the Palestinian borders. It's about the historical grazing territory of the indigenous Palestinian Bedouin and how it diminished overtime. The populations referred to on the map are the original population as of 1948 and how they were dispersed over time.

I mean, this is pretty obvious, even today Bedouin do not adhere to our concept of land rights and ownership or nation states being a semi-nomadic pastoral society.

 

[Redando]

Re. UAE
I've lived there. It's a very racist place. They have indentured servitude (a form of slavery). They are abusive and exploitative of migrant workers from poor regions, like S. Asia, Ethiopia, Philippines. On the surface they are religiously tolerant, because it is good for business. But it's a facade. When I lived there they demolished the church I used to attend because it was on prime real estate. Us non Muslims all knew never to get into religious arguments with a Muslim person, even if the Muslim person initiates it, because the law will always blame the non Muslim.

it must be true when you say so.
Very good source.

 

[AngryWeasel]

So Europeans can't do anything to get rid of migrants who commit violent crime and won't assimilate, but the second the Jews want them gone they're out, lmao. This stuff writes itself. Who is it that our governments work for again?

Ze Illaminajewz obviously

Joke appart, I made a post on another about NAZIS being now a century old stuff ... Westerners need to reevaluate the world around them. Hitler isn't going to attack us anymore, let's turn the page and face the modern reality. Future is grim and maybe we don't have to give a fuck about israelis or palestinians

 

[vision1]

plenty of examples trough history. During the reconqista when Jews were forced to leave Al Andalus (Spain) because of Christian persécutions they came back to north Africa and lived as normal citizens then.

And more recently all those Jews had to leave North Africa due to antisemitism, many of whom moved to Israel

 

[Deleted member 592822]

Re. UAE
I've lived there. It's a very racist place. They have indentured servitude (a form of slavery). They are abusive and exploitative of migrant workers from poor regions, like S. Asia, Ethiopia, Philippines. On the surface they are religiously tolerant, because it is good for business. But it's a facade. When I lived there they demolished the church I used to attend because it was on prime real estate. Us non Muslims all knew never to get into religious arguments with a Muslim person, even if the Muslim person initiates it, because the law will always blame the non Muslim.

I fully agree with the UAE being racist that exploits asian people. it's true

 

[The_Renaissance]

it must be true when you say so.
Very good source.

I mean in all fairness one of the biggest scandals recently was the thousands of slave labourers who died helping the Qatar football World Cup happen. It was big news. The Middle East and North Africa literally still use slave labour. Whether that's a big deal is all about perspective I guess but whites are still chastised for what they outlawed decades ago.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Has Gal Gadot put out any more songs yet?

 

[Deleted member 592822]

And more recently all those Jews had to leave North Africa due to antisemitism, many of whom moved to Israel

maybe you haven't checked but Jews are thriving in Morocco. look it up

 

[Rational Poster]

Wasn't sure if you were aware. Carry on with your maps on Bedouins.

Not sure how you would figure that since I literally referenced ancient historical usage in the post you quoted and how it complicates things with the Italian fascist hijacking of Roman symbolism.

A lot of these symbols you might see today in Rome were put there by the fascists, not the ancient romans. The majority of the ancient city has been built over several times over at this point.

 

[mkess101]

just answer the question.
You are making claims. When I question you with valid questions. You start to deflect and avoiding the valid questions.

Man, you are tireless. Gotta give you that.

Not just you, others itt on both "sides" too.
This isn't any sort of commentary by me on whatever you guys are currently arguing, I picked a post at random of yours because you're one of the stalwarts.

 

[cincymma79]

I mean in all fairness one of the biggest scandals recently was the thousands of slave labourers who died helping the Qatar football World Cup happen. It was big news. The Middle East and North Africa literally still use slave labour. Whether that's a big deal is all about perspective I guess but whites are still chastised for what they outlawed decades ago.

And that government funds Al Jazeera

 

[Samjj]

It doesn't say anything about it being the historical representation of the Palestinian borders. It's about the historical grazing territory of the indigenous Palestinian Bedouin and how it diminished overtime. The populations referred to on the map are the original population as of 1948 and how they were dispersed over time.

I mean, this is pretty obvious, even today Bedouin do not adhere to our concept of land rights and ownership or nation states being a semi-nomadic pastoral society.

Yeah sorry but that's a totally inaccurate description of the map.

How does the graphic at all depict the far more numerous Bedouin living a traditional lifestyle within Israel proper (200,000) vs. (40,000) living in the Palestinian territories? It does't.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yeah sorry but that's a totally inaccurate description of the map.

How does the graphic at all depict the far more numerous Bedouin living a traditional lifestyle within Israel proper (200,000) vs. (40,000) living in the Palestinian territories? It does't.

It doesn't because it's not trying to. It's referring to just the original population in 1948 and their descendants.

 

[vision1]

We are not even at the stage to define what Jewish DNA is.
You mention the word Jewish DNA. What is that?
Is that based on the DNA of a biblical figure?
That’s the claim of being Jewish. A lineage that goes back to one of these biblical figures.
Do you have the body of these persons and their DNA to determine the DNA of this person? The answer is no.
They don’t use DNA but just simply made up geneologies that supposedly go back to a person 4000 years ago.
People who are proven to have converted in history to Judaism.

This is used to try to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians.
Now they want to convince people that a Scandinavian looking Israeli is more related to the Levant than a Middle Eastern looking Palestinian. How absurd

I don't know what you're talking about.
I never said "Jewish DNA", those were your words. The first thing I said was that I don't know how to describe DNA. I used the word lineage, as you were a Jew if and only if your mother was Jewish ... that would add a genetic component to it, right?

 

[The_Renaissance]

maybe you haven't checked but Jews are thriving in Morocco. look it up

Was in Morocco for 3 weeks earlier this year. Didn't see any Jews, nor Synagogues. Not saying you're wrong I wasn't looking for them. But thriving would suggest a visible presence I definitely didn't see in person. It was strictly Islam. But again maybe if I was specifically looking....

 

[Samjj]

It doesn't because it's not trying to. It's referring to just the original population in 1948 and their descendants.

You're clinging to manipulating facts right now. It's not working.

How is it possible that the 40,000 Bedouin living today which represent the descendants of the original expelled population are shown as far more numerous than the 200,000 living within Israel?

Take the L and admit that you posted a shitty map.

 

[High Test With da Best]

Hopefully because they're self-aware enough to not follow ideological "just because" like they do with left wing vs. right wing politics. If/when they chime in, it will be from a more thought out position.

Less hopefully....they just haven't been given their talking points yet.

Well said in each case

 

[Redando]

I'm descended from Aaron.

Anyway, chucklehead. Scientists have found that genotypes of Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews are very similar...more similar to each other than any other groups in the world. So unless you're now going to tell me that the Mizrahis also aren't real Jews, go flit off to 4Chan or something. This isn't my first rodeo in the War Room on the Khazarian Hypothesis.

Yes, Reuters is a more reliable source of information than anything you've presented to date. I never said they were fired at Ashkelon, but I assume they weren't fired in honor of July 4th.

Yeah right descendants of Aaron.
The whole geneology is fake.
Your criteria is your Talmud. To determine if someone is Jewish or not is the Talmud.
The Talmud that completely contradicts the Tanakh. Even in the tradition there are clear contradictions.
All lineages in the Tanakh go through the Father. At some point in time they decided that it’s goes through the mother. That’s around 200 or 300 ce. Even the story in the tradition is not consistent and contradicting.

Everyone should just blindly accept these easily refuted genealogies that supposedly go back to a figure around 1400 bce.
We see this in more religion how people try to link themselves with a person they considered to be important. They always did after accepting to be part of the group.

There is another point.
A person who worships other gods in the Tanakh is not considered a Jew. He shall be put to death in the Tanakh for worshipping or encouraging others to worship other gods.
Even in the Tanakh being Jewish is not an ethnicity but a relationship with their god and obeying the commandments.

the hole narrative is full of holes with all due respect.
I would rather have a traditional Jew as my neighbour than an atheist who claims to be a Jew. I have million times more in common with a traditional Jew than an atheist who uses a tradition for political purposes.