International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war.

[fishNjits]

You do realize they bomb areas all the time where no rockets were fired from right?

You mean they actually try to be pro-active? BFD.

They are warned. More than Hamas did.

 

[Redando]

Yet, they are letting people out…

they were bombing them.
They weee bombing civilians.

 

[William Munny]

To others bombing civilian areas with chemical bombs is "defending yourself against terrorists". Both sides are framing quite hard.

this is straight up terrible as well.

 

[MicroBrew]

This is a valid question as well. It was covered by Thomas Friedman in "From Beirut to Jerusalem."

apparently, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians don't think too highly of their Palestinian brothers. only when they are under attack from Israel do they start caring.

The Muslim countries could also not want to take in the Gazans because there is no guarantee they would be let back in, in which case Israel gets to ethnically cleanse them. Many years ago I read an article that said the Indian government didn't proactively and very publicly tell the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan they can move to India because doing so would embolden the Islamists to increase their attacks on Christians and Hindus, to push them out of Pakistan.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I didn't "excuse" any atrocities on any side. PERIOD. Don't try putting words into my mouth, it doesn't work that way.

"The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),"

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology (msn.com)

That's article one of the Hamas charter. How in the world is Israel or any Jewish person supposed to deal with that? Hamas could've chosen negotiation and non-violent resistance like the Civil Rights activists in the 60's in the USA.

They chose violence.

“But but but they really just want their own state!”

 

[Rod1]

why is this dumb?

prior to the events of Saturday, why couldn't the UAE and Saudi Arabia, help fund/restore Gaza into a much more advanced society, with an improved infrastructure?

(i'm not referring to now, obviously the situation is more complicated, but over the last 30+ years.)

Over the last 17 years, Israel pulled out of Gaza and pretty much controls its borders, they allowed Hamas to fester and thought that they could control Gaza in a way to keep Palestinians compliant.

I guess they guessed wrong.

Israel will eventually be forced to take the responsibility they signed for in 1978 with Egypt.

Israel should had never pulled out of Gaza, but that's just being a monday morning quarterback.

 

[William Munny]

The Muslim countries could also not want to take in the Gazans because there is no guarantee they would be let back in, in which case Israel gets to ethnically cleanse them. Many years ago I read an article that said the Indian government didn't proactively and very publicly tell the Hindus and Christians in Pakistan they can move to India because doing so would embolden the Islamists to increase their attacks on Christians and Hindus, to push them out of Pakistan.

good point.
so obviously, a "right of return" needs to be on the table for any chance of peace.

 

[muhammadgoatli]

When you slaughter 200 people at a concert that is there to benefit YOU, then there's probably going to be actions taken.

I would love to speak freely here and offer a worthy response, but I am waiting now for clarification on posting in this forum. I have a post up in support that has not been responded to, so kinda just waiting as I dig this place and am in no way trying to start crap.

If you permit me to speak freely, I would love to respond to you, offering you the full respect you deserve.

Why won't the rest of the Muslim world bring in power production to help their Muslim brothers and sisters?

There is this thing the world refers to as a blockade. Every time anyone tries to bring these people anything, especially for humanitarian reasons, the idf attack.

See: Gaza flotilla tragedies for examples

 

[MicroBrew]

good point.
so obviously, a "right of return" needs to be on the table for any chance of peace.

Below comment is not particularly relevant to the issue of Gazan refugees, but relevant to the wider issue.

This war is a fight between brothers. Both are Semitic. Palestinians are mostly, or to a great extent, descended from Jews who converted; past Israeli leaders have said this.

 

[Corona]

Humus had to know this was gonna happen right? There’s no way they believed they could take Israel alone. Maybe they’re hoping other countries step in and help them, idk. But now it’s likely that tens of thousands of people are gonna die. I’m not supporting either side here but Israel’s response shouldn’t surprise anyone.

 

[Snubnoze707]

I wasn't speaking about now, currently, but prior to the events of this past saturday. over the last few decades.

I'm speaking about the past few decades as well. From their own admissions they've targeted buildings and made claims of "Hamas cells" and "weapons caches" regardless of if any rockets were fired from those locations.

I mean if we want to keep going back they leveled over 200 Palestinian villages in 1947 before Israel became a reality in 1948.

This whole excuse of killing civilians indiscriminately because "Hamas was hiding there" is completely bunk.

 

[fishNjits]

From where are the rockets fired? Do you have confirmation?
Or you just blindly decided to accept claims?
What’s your source for these locations?
The Israeli leadership? Is that the source you rely on to accept something?

And you've done the genetic work that says I'm not Jewish?
How do you decide what you accept to believe and what you don't?

Here you go:

 

[syct23]

they were bombing them.
They weee bombing civilians.

I guess they should have listened to the Israeli leaflets saying to leave, instead of Hamas saying to stay…

 

[Snubnoze707]

You mean they actually try to be pro-active? BFD.

They are warned. More than Hamas did.

OK, so that means that their intel is so good they are able to preemptively strike these hidden targets in a densely populated area... yet somehow couldn't detect a massive parachute army planning an attack.

Reconcile that.

 

[fishNjits]

If an ethnostate already exists it is completley different than trying to create one where it doesn't. The former requires immigration control the latter requires mass displacement and/or genocide.

850,000 Jews left Arab countries for Israel. The Arab Muslim countries are ethnoreligious states.

 

[fishNjits]

OK, so that means that their intel is so good they are able to preemptively strike these hidden targets in a densely populated area... yet somehow couldn't detect a massive parachute army planning an attack.

Reconcile that.

Apparently not. We have technology to listen in to every phone call in the world. Yet a bunch of Saudis took down four planes.

Or was it really an inside job..../s

 

[Snubnoze707]

The Muslim countries could also not want to take in the Gazans because there is no guarantee they would be let back in, in which case Israel gets to ethnically cleanse them.

This is exactly right.

If they take on all of these people that means Israel won and is that much closer to completely taking over that region.

Palestinians also don't want to leave for this reason.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Apparently not. We have technology to listen in to every phone call in the world. Yet a bunch of Saudis took down four planes.

Or was it really an inside job..../s

Sometimes things are allowed to happen if the ends justifies the means.

The Hamas attack on Israel was a massive gift to Israel and it's multigenerational long term goals.

 

[Spounman]

I guess they should have listened to the Israeli leaflets saying to leave, instead of Hamas saying to stay…

Hopefully Israel wipes these terrorists out of existence soon

 

[muhammadgoatli]

This war is a fight between brothers. Both are Semitic. Palestinians are mostly, or to a great extent, descended from Jews who converted;

Is the wildly misinterpreted bible an historical source now?

past Israeli leaders have said this.

Because they are all religious extremist nutcase psychopaths, pretending it all, as they came in knowing full well that extermination or removal of the native population would be a necessity.

And not even just the Palestinian people. We have seen this play out over the decades.

“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
---David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff.
---Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

Folks better start figuring out who the real terrorists are and it better be soon. This is no longer about Just the Palestinian struggle. It is about our world's. How much longer do we sit and watch? How will truthful history record us all?

The ultimate point here? It was not a mistake, it wasn't stupidity, and it wasn't inbreeding that they decided to build a nation right on top of almost a million people.

They knew. They just were clueless as to how resilient these motherfuckers are.