International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war.

[William Munny]

The power was shut off by Israel (as was the water), it didn't just go out due to bad infrastructure.

Gaza was just given a warning to move over 1 million people in 24 hours so that they can flatten a large part of the city.

How the hell is what you are proposing going to take place?

You people are insane.

I wasn't speaking about now, currently, but prior to the events of this past saturday. over the last few decades.

 

[William Munny]

This is such a dumb comment with all due respect.
This comment demonstrates that you have no clue about this topic.

why is this dumb?

prior to the events of Saturday, why couldn't the UAE and Saudi Arabia, help fund/restore Gaza into a much more advanced society, with an improved infrastructure?

(i'm not referring to now, obviously the situation is more complicated, but over the last 30+ years.)

 

[Redando]

Why aren't majority Muslim countries coordinating with Israel to fly in planes to evacuate them or saying "We'll take in those refugees here."?

Israel doesn’t even let food in.

 

[Samjj]

it all makes sense now

even more humiliating for Hamas to get killed by a gay.
poetic justice.

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[Redando]

why is this dumb?

prior to the events of Saturday, why couldn't the UAE and Saudi Arabia, help fund/restore Gaza into a much more advanced society, with an improved infrastructure?

(i'm not referring to now, obviously the situation is more complicated, but over the last 30+ years.)

how? Explain that to me?
Not based on your made up claims and speculation but based on the actual situation of being isolated by Israel. explain that to me.
Let’s say you are the king of Saudi Arabia and want to build infrastructure in Gaza.
Tell me how you are going to do that?
What are the steps they have to take?
Just fly in and planes and ships with borders fully controlled by Israel?
Are you living in a fantasy land?

 

[Barteh]

In review:

• No Israel, yet you want peace?
• Muslim ethnostates are acceptable. Jewish ethnostates are not.

Who has a genocidal project? Let's review what Palestinian children have been taught for decades in U.N. funded schools.



You may want to reconsider your views.

This shit is so sad to see. It's hard to imagine these raping and pillaging savages were once pure and innocent children, but they were.

 

[William Munny]

Why aren't majority Muslim countries coordinating with Israel to fly in planes to evacuate them or saying "We'll take in those refugees here."?

This is a valid question as well. It was covered by Thomas Friedman in "From Beirut to Jerusalem."

apparently, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians don't think too highly of their Palestinian brothers. only when they are under attack from Israel do they start caring.

 

[Strychnine]

Music festival survivor recounts harrowing escape from Hamas terrorists: 'They hunted us for hours'
The deadly Hamas attack on a music festival killed more than 200 people.

ByLauren Meltzer

A woman who fled for her life as Hamas terrorists gunned down festivalgoers in southern Israel is sharing the terrifying details of her survival.

Daniel Levi, who was working at the Supernova music festival when the attack unfolded, recalled dozens of terrorists "filled the sky" around 6:30 a.m. Saturday near the Gaza border, descending as the crowd celebrated the Jewish holiday of Sukkot.

"They just started shooting, and the sky was full of rockets," she said in an interview on ABC News Live.

The 31-year-old said she knew she "needed to stay in an open field" in order to survive the attack.

For the next half hour, Levi and her two friends, Nicole and Elaine, stayed put. When they heard gunfire in the distance, Levi told her friends they were involved in "an extreme situation" and they needed to evacuate the area.

The group went to their car, where they crossed paths with a friend who worked as a security guard at the event. He told them "a suicider" was located in the road, and urged the group to follow him to wait together.

According to Levi, the attack lasted 10 minutes, with Hamas terrorists targeting festivalgoers from the east and the north as they sought refuge.

"They [shot] at us everywhere," she said. "And then, we couldn't hide. We didn't have anywhere to go."

While police and security guards attempted to fight on the road against Hamas, Levi and her friends ran back towards the festival area.

In a matter of seconds, the group had to make a difficult decision -- whether to run through a field towards Gaza, where Hamas fighters would potentially kill them, or hide in the trees in a eucalyptus forest.


"We decided to go to the trees," she recalled. "We were just trying to stay alive. They hunted us for six hours."

Levi said the "suiciders" were always behind them, and she could hear people running for their lives, screaming while being shot. She explained they stayed low beneath the trees and removed leaves from underneath their shoes to avoid being heard as they fled.

"We had nowhere to hide," she continued. "It wasn't humanized. They just – they killed everyone."

Levi relied on Google Maps for assistance and spoke with her uncle, a commander in the Army who is familiar with navigating extreme situations, begging him to send help. Acting on impulse, she also notified police, telling them to track her phone in real-time in hopes they would aid in their rescue.

Messaging back and forth with friends, Levi was able to determine which villages were occupied by Hamas and were unsafe to seek refuge in.

The women hid in the trees for six hours and then decided to run into an open field, heading towards a stream. As they fled, Hamas terrorists were seen traveling on jeeps, "hunting" whoever came across their path.

"We decided to run," Levi said. "We had no other choice."

When they arrived at the stream, the women took cover near some bamboo, leaning against a wall while checking to see if anyone could see them. One hour later, the group noticed a car driving by. It turned out to be the police.

"Thank god they were the real police," Levi said. "Most of the suiciders wore police and soldier uniforms so they [could] abduct and kill people on the road."

The police transported the women to an area called Patish, where they were provided with food and water, and were able to charge Levi's phone. She credits being the only one with a phone as part of the reason they were rescued.


"I was the only one who can speak with the world, and like, ask for help and let them know where we are, and ask what happened so we can get out of there alive," she said.

Reflecting on the attack, Levi, now home safe and beside her family, says she "hopes everything will be okay."

"I want everyone to be OK here," she said. "We are strong. We are united."

Fighting has been ongoing since Hamas launched its attack on Israel from air, land and sea on Saturday. More than 200 bodies were removed from the music festival venue, according to an Israeli rescue service.

At least 1,200 people have died and 2,900 others have been injured in Israel, Israeli authorities said. According to Palestinian authorities, at least 1,100 people have died, and 5,339 have been injured in Gaza.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ng-escape-hamas-terrorists/story?id=103909905

Slaughtering civilians at a peace concert is "fighting for freedom" to some people here.

 

[terrapin]

I didn't "excuse" any atrocities on any side. PERIOD. Don't try putting words into my mouth, it doesn't work that way.

"The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),"

Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology (msn.com)

That's article one of the Hamas charter. How in the world is Israel or any Jewish person supposed to deal with that? Hamas could've chosen negotiation and non-violent resistance like the Civil Rights activists in the 60's in the USA.

They chose violence.

please dont accuse me of accusing you friend. read the quote below emphasis added.

how can you possibly excuse the atrocities committed by israel over the years and what they plan to do in good conscience? or maybe you dont but im asking.

you did not address the fact that netenyahu and many others have nearly the same violent stated goals. they want ALL the land of original biblical israel, want to instill jewish biblical law over all israel and plan to raise muslim temples on land presently occupied by muslims in order to build their own temples. they have also commited many human rights atrocities against muslims over many years.

i think you are a good person and a christian (im christian too) and so i was wondering how you justify your positions taking into account the many present and stated future wrongs of israel. jesus says to clean out the moat in our own eye before seeking to take the splinter our of our brothers eye. having done that for years dont you see the necessity of holding other situations between parties to the same standards?

i posted that video because it is NON PARTISAN and scholarly with no axe to grind and i think you are not taking in all of the information.

but the main thing is i did not accuse you of anything, have a love and respect for you and am just asking questions.

 

[William Munny]

how? Explain that to me?
Not based on your made up claims and speculation but based on the actual situation of being isolated by Israel. explain that to me.
Let’s say you are the king of Saudi Arabia and want to build infrastructure in Gaza.
Tell me how you are going to do that?
What are the steps they have to take?
Just fly in and planes and ships with borders fully controlled by Israel?
Are you living in a fantasy land?

The Saudi Kingdom carries a great deal of clout internationally, and with the US.

is it so difficult to believe that the US president, couldn't get the Governments of Israel and Palestine and Saudi Arabia to sit down and propose a humanitarian goal of raising the standard of life for Palestinians in Gaza?

why is that such a fantasy? if Bill Clinton could get Arafat and Ehuk Barak at Camp David, why would this be impossible to you?

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[Rholk]

@lsa
@Rholk
@SakurabasEar
and the entirety of clown-world have been pushing this crazy shit nonstop, yet posts are getting instascrapped for asking for sources and suggesting discernment

crazy fucking times indeed!

 

[William Munny]

Slaughtering civilians at a peace concert is "fighting for freedom" to some people here.

I understand that this is a very sensitive for some, and I completely understand why some are passionate.

but if we can't agree that slaughtering concert goers is terrible, and does nothing to achieve peace,..I'm sorry , there is no solid foundation for us to have a reasonable conversation

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Oh I definitely read and understood it all.

You hate Muslims

Just let it out bro.

<Lmaoo>

Say you didn't read and understand it without saying you didn't read and understand it.

Given you barely have two braincells to rub together you probably think Jews are 'Islamophobic.'

 

[Barteh]

Slaughtering civilians at a peace concert is "fighting for freedom" to some people here.

To others bombing civilian areas with chemical bombs is "defending yourself against terrorists". Both sides are framing quite hard.

 

[William Munny]

my god. this is sick.

does anyone here condone what this dude said?

 

[syct23]

Israel doesn’t even let food in.

Yet, they are letting people out…

 

[Redando]

The Saudi Kingdom carries a great deal of clout internationally, and with the US.

is it so difficult to believe that the US president, couldn't get the Governments of Israel and Palestine and Saudi Arabia to sit down and propose a humanitarian goal of raising the standard of life for Palestinians in Gaza?

why is that such a fantasy? if Bill Clinton could get Arafat and Ehuk Barak at Camp David, why would this be impossible to you?

who decides eventually?
You do admit that Saudi Arabia is completely dependent.
Israel will never allow Gaza to become more powerful. Israel is a state of the US in the Middle East.
They will never allow that to happen.

all sides are played. The leadership in Saudi Arabia is also controlled by the US.
they all benefit from the Palestinian and Israel conflict politically for power.

 

[William Munny]

who decides eventually?
You do admit that Saudi Arabia is completely dependent.
Israel will never allow Gaza to become more powerful. Israel is a state of the US in the Middle East.
They will never allow that to happen.

all sides are played. The leadership in Saudi Arabia is also controlled by the US.
they all benefit from the Palestinian and Israel conflict politically for power.

What does Saudi Arabia have to gain from this politically?
Shouldn't they be more interested in the well being, standard of life of their Muslim brothers and sisters?