International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Strychnine]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm referencing a seven year old kid kidnapped in the West Bank by the IDF....

Right and now Hamas can't get to her.

Are you ok, friend?

 

[Strychnine]

 

[Snubnoze707]

The Biden/Harris admin did NOT call for over 1 million Palestinians be moved from Palestine. Trump did.

The difference?

YUGE.

He actually didn't "call" for anything, it was a casual conversation about the dire situation in Gaza.

The Biden admin mobilized political and financial support for Israel's transfer schemes but were shut down by Egypt. It would have very likely been 1 million people, as that is representative of the scale of destruction and displacement caused by Israel.

Again, zero difference and you didn't answer my questions as to how Harris would had been better for Gaza, because you don't have an answer.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Right and now Hamas can't get to her.

Are you ok, friend?

So throwing a SEVEN year old in a prison where people are having their limbs sawed off as a result of being zip-tied by the Israeli's for months on end is a better situation for that child than remaining with it's family in the West Bank which ISN'T under control by Hamas?

ARE YOU OK?

*EDIT - I just double checked to see if their was further news of this incident and if Israel is claiming these people were Hamas, and they aren't, so where are you getting Hamas from?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Is that fucking Rosie O'donnell? Why do you think anyone in here is going to click on these videos? LOL!!!

 

[moreorless87]

Spare me the moral lecturing. You probably didn’t even vote this election or voted for that clown, Jill Stein. Now, Trump ripped every bit of the guardrails there, there isn’t any sanctions on the settlers on there either. So good job at owning the libs and fucking over the millions on Medicare in America too.

I’ve been always very clear about how I felt about the illegal settlements in the West Bank and how Bibi pours oil on the fire…..

Additionally, there have been numerous deals put forth yet rejected by the Palestinians. The Peel Commission, the 1948 lines, the 1968 lines, Olmert’s+Barak’s proposal, and Clinton perimeters. You nor the people that liked your post will acknowledge the failures of Palestinian diplomacy, Egypt’s wall or Black September.

A two state solution isn’t viable with Hamas governing Gaza. There is a reason why Abbas hasn’t held elections there.

It’s a cluster fuck of a situation and Israeli Leadership should be held accountable for the war crimes that they committed if proven guilty as well.

Theres a reason why Abbas hasnt held elections at all in recent years, its because his popularity has collapsed.

You may have been "very clear" about how you think about illegal settlements but honestly what do you think should happen about them? do you think western nations should put serious sanctions on the Israelis as a whole to end them? do you think the US should stop military aid? thats even before the current situation, do you think Biden should have been pushing though military aid for a nation were there seems to be overwhelm evidence that there currently engaged in mass war crimes?

The same is true for Israeli war crimes, what pressure would you put on them to make sure Israeli leaders face justice at the ICC? the answer of the mainstream dems is "none" and indeed active hostility to the ICC.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

Who is this?
Why should anyone listen to her?

 

[kflo]

Theres a reason why Abbas hasnt held elections at all in recent years, its because his popularity has collapsed.

You may have been "very clear" about how you think about illegal settlements but honestly what do you think should happen about them? do you think western nations should put serious sanctions of the Israali as a whole to end them? do you think the US should stop military aid? thats even before the current situation, do you think Biden should have been pushing though military aid for a nation were there seems to be overwhelm evidence that there currently engaged in mass war crimes?

Sorry but no I will not "spare you the moral lecturing"

If you get all your news from Twitter, TikTok and Al jezeera.

 

[filthybliss]

Theres a reason why Abbas hasnt held elections at all in recent years, its because his popularity has collapsed.

Yeah because he is secular and more peaceful than Hamas. The general Palestinian society see him as a traitor in the similar vein that they saw Arafat as one when he signed the Oslo Accords.

You may have been "very clear" about how you think about illegal settlements but honestly what do you think should happen about them?

I believe that the illegal settlements should be torn down or the settlers can live there in a Palestinian state on the Palestinians terms.

do you think western nations should put serious sanctions of the Israali as a whole to end them?

Sure. Biden has and Trump revoked them.

do you think the US should stop military aid?

This is a loaded question because the aid that we give them allows us leverage to facillitate and make sure humantirian relief makes way for the civilians in Gaza. Otherwise, Israel has nothing to lose by starving out the population. We also put an embargo on the 2000lb bombs and Trump overturned them. If we dump Israel completely then China will build a bridge with them and give them whatever they to completely demolish the Palestinians.

do you think Biden should have been pushing though military aid for a nation were there seems to be overwhelm evidence that there currently engaged in mass war crimes?

We haven't provided them any arms after the Arrest Warrants for War Crimes went up. And again they haven't been convicted of anything just accused in the similar vein as Hamas Leaders have.

The same is true for Israeli war crimes, what pressure would you put on them to make sure Israeli leaders face justice at the ICC? the answer of the mainstream dems is "none" and indeed active hostility to the ICC.

You can be smug about it. But your strategy is to just bitch and moan. The ACA is expiring this year and American lives depend on its extension. Also, Trump was proposing tariffs and deporting a noticeable amount of the work-force so we will all cripple with infation. Not to mention, he thinks that Israel didn't bomb Gaza enough....He is now proposing to completely deplete the Gaza population and dump them in Jordan and Egypt.

So congrats. You fucked the Palestinians that you virtue signal about caring for and you fucked over Americans. Atleast, now you have more to complain about.

He actually didn't "call" for anything, it was a casual conversation about the dire situation in Gaza.

The Biden admin mobilized political and financial support for Israel's transfer schemes but were shut down by Egypt. It would have very likely been 1 million people, as that is representative of the scale of destruction and displacement caused by Israel.

Again, zero difference and you didn't answer my questions as to how Harris would had been better for Gaza, because you don't have an answer.

Trump literally removed all sanctions on the Israeli Settlers on the WB, dumbass.

 

[Strychnine]

He actually didn't "call" for anything, it was a casual conversation about the dire situation in Gaza.

The Biden admin mobilized political and financial support for Israel's transfer schemes but were shut down by Egypt. It would have very likely been 1 million people, as that is representative of the scale of destruction and displacement caused by Israel.

Again, zero difference and you didn't answer my questions as to how Harris would had been better for Gaza, because you don't have an answer.

Harris was for a two-state solution, (and I have called for it also multiple times in this thread). Trump is for every Palestinian to be removed from Palestine.

 

[Strychnine]

Is that fucking Rosie O'donnell? Why do you think anyone in here is going to click on these videos? LOL!!!

 

[Strychnine]

Who is this?
Why should anyone listen to her?

It's just an opinion.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

It's just an opinion.

Ok... Wasn't trying to be a dick... I find myself listening to some youtube vid and catch myself thinking "why the hell am I listening to this rando?".

Wasn't sure if she was a well known 'influencer' or whatever

 

[Strychnine]

Ok... Wasn't trying to be a dick... I find myself listening to some youtube vid and catch myself thinking "why the hell am I listening to this rando?".

Wasn't sure if she was a well known 'influencer' or whatever

No worries brother.

 

[moreorless87]

Yeah because he is secular and more peaceful than Hamas. The general Palestinian society see him as a traitor in the similar vein that they saw Arafat as one when he signed the Oslo Accords.


I believe that the illegal settlements should be torn down or the settlers can live there in a Palestinian state on the Palestinians terms.


Sure. Biden has and Trump revoked them.


This is a loaded question because the aid that we give them allows us leverage to facillitate and make sure humantirian relief makes way for the civilians in Gaza. Otherwise, Israel has nothing to lose by starving out the population. We also put an embargo on the 2000lb bombs and Trump overturned them. If we dump Israel completely then China will build a bridge with them and give them whatever they to completely demolish the Palestinians.

We haven't provided them any arms after the Arrest Warrants for War Crimes went up. And again they haven't been convicted of anything just accused in the similar vein as Hamas Leaders have.


You can be smug about it. But your strategy is to just bitch and moan. The ACA is expiring this year and American lives depend on its extension. Also, Trump was proposing tariffs and deporting a noticeable amount of the work-force so we will all cripple with infation. Not to mention, he thinks that Israel didn't bomb Gaza enough....He is now proposing to completely deplete the Gaza population and dump them in Jordan and Egypt.

So congrats. You fucked the Palestinians that you virtue signal about caring for and you fucked over Americans. Atleast, now you have more to complain about.


Trump literally removed all sanctions on the Israeli Settlers on the WB, dumbass.

Biden has not sanctioned Israel as a for the settlements, he's sanctioned some groups involved in them which as you know is totally ineffective, the reality is the US could obviously do more,

Biden has sent billions in military aid to the Israelis since the arrest warrants, sending more was one of his last actions as president.

Look at what we've seen in the last year, the Israeli's basically destroying an urban area of 2+ million people, killing tens of thousands, possible hundreds of thousands of civilians and yet what pressure have we seen from Biden to force them to stop? that he's not sending them the very largest bombs anymore is not exactly a hard line is it? could it be perhaps that this arguement is simply PR BS? that US aid to the Israelis, strong economic ties and even direct military support has very little(or nothing) to do with this and far more to do with US influence and economic advantage? I mean Biden himself has said "If there were not an Israel, we'd have to invent one.”

I'm no fan of Trump(and I'm not American so obviously didn't vote) but the fact he was able to pressure the Israelis into a ceasefire so easily really does kill the idea we've been sold that Biden was doing this over the last year.

Again I would say its easy to say you believe in a two state solution, you believe in disbanding the settlements or that you want a ceasefire but it comes down to what actions you support to achieve those things. You would think that not sending billions of dollars in aid and military support to a state which is leveling a city and killing tens of thousands of civilians would be a pretty simple thing to get behind but it seems not.

You talk about "smug", "whining" and people "lecturing" you but the reality is your posting to me has been far more personal than mine to you in which I'v talked about a wider idealogy, I'm sorry but when your having a debate around the morals of ethnic cleansing and the mass killing of civilians I think people have a right to make some moral judgements on the politics involved.

 

[Hdfi]

YIf we dump Israel completely then China will build a bridge with them and give them whatever they to completely demolish the Palestinians.

China's position is one of neutrality and they would not want to get involved in this war in any way, shape or form.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The true death toll wont ever be known I suspect. For example, if a Gazan dies of cancer, and was not able to access meds for 12 months due the hospitals being destroyed and supply blockades, is that a war death? If the power fails and the ventilators stop working? Is that part of the casuality rate? What about wounded survivors who get decades shaved off their lifespans and die 20 years from now?

It will take generations to account for the true impact.

Never mind all the missing bodies in the rubble. People without families who die and are simply never accounted for.

Those before and after photos that are popping up are wild. Israel is losing control of the media curtain there

 

[Koya]

Violating ceasefires deserve scochers earth and killing dozens of thousands of children. Uh wait but not when it's israel who violates a ceasefire by killing Arabs. That is fine, doesn't count.

 

[Koya]

So throwing a SEVEN year old in a prison where people are having their limbs sawed off as a result of being zip-tied by the Israeli's for months on end is a better situation for that child than remaining with it's family in the West Bank which ISN'T under control by Hamas?

ARE YOU OK?

*EDIT - I just double checked to see if their was further news of this incident and if Israel is claiming these people were Hamas, and they aren't, so where are you getting Hamas from?

He just DGAF. Seven years old in prison ? That's horrible. Oh wait it's an Arab. If it was an Israeli child then he would post about it.

 

[SuperAlly]

You think anyone is clicking those videos? I'm not going to click a video with some ShitLib lady in the thumbnail, LOL.

And perhaps at last you guys understand why your bizarre propaganda war on a karate forum for a year and a half failed.

Daily and hourly posting of heavily biased, often fanciful or outright false videos and accusations from questionable sources to the point that the social media websites hosting them had often deleted them before anyone in here even had the opportunity to view the nonsense contained therein