International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Hog-train]

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/b_tselem/

Human Rights Watch (HRW) - ngomonitor

Human Rights Watch is a powerful NGO, with a massive budget, close links to Western governments, and significant influence in international institutions. Its publications reflect the absence of professional standards, research methodologies, and military and legal expertise, as well as a...

ngo-monitor.org

Amnesty International (AI) - ngomonitor

Amnesty International disproportionately singles out Israel for condemnation, focusing solely on the conflict with the Palestinians, misrepresenting the complexity of the conflict, and ignoring more severe human rights violations in the region. Amnesty distorts international law, misusing terms...

ngo-monitor.org

NGO-Monitor on MediaFactcheckBias labeled a right wing pro-Israeli group.

Conclusion - I don't believe a word they say.

It's funny how normally you're super left with your support for all the trans shit, but with Israel you're far right. You Jewish, correct?

NGO Monitor - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

History​

Founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg, NGO Monitor is a Jerusalem-based NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) that analyzes and reports on the output of the international NGO community from a pro-Israel perspective. According to their about page, “NGO Monitor provides information and analysis, promotes accountability, and supports discussion on the reports and activities of NGOs (non-governmental organizations) claiming to advance human rights and humanitarian agendas.”

Analysis / Bias​

NGO Monitor has faced criticism and has been labeled a right-wing pro-Israeli group. For example, in 2013, a member of NGO Monitor was caught editing their own Wikipedia page, which is not allowed. Wikipedia then banned him as an editor. Further, the founder Gerald Steinburg worked for the Israeli government after the formation of the NGO, a seemingly obvious conflict of interest.

Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda. (D. Van Zandt 8/31/2021) Updated (12/08/2023)

 

[SuperAlly]

they did it at the beginning of the syrian civil war as well as fought with them in libya & iraq.

Well, you terrorist fangirls are consistent. I'll give you that

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Well, you terrorist fangirls are consistent. I'll give you that

find a jpeg posted sooner than 2007, brother. that bitch is in 72p

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

NGO-Monitor on MediaFactcheckBias labeled a right wing pro-Israeli group.

Conclusion - I don't believe a word they say.

It's funny how normally you're super left with your support for all the trans retard shit, but with Israel you're far right. You Jewish, correct?

NGO Monitor - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

History​

Founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg, NGO Monitor is a Jerusalem-based NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) that analyzes and reports on the output of the international NGO community from a pro-Israel perspective. According to their about page, “NGO Monitor provides information and analysis, promotes accountability, and supports discussion on the reports and activities of NGOs (non-governmental organizations) claiming to advance human rights and humanitarian agendas.”

Analysis / Bias​

NGO Monitor has faced criticism and has been labeled a right-wing pro-Israeli group. For example, in 2013, a member of NGO Monitor was caught editing their own Wikipedia page, which is not allowed. Wikipedia then banned him as an editor. Further, the founder Gerald Steinburg worked for the Israeli government after the formation of the NGO, a seemingly obvious conflict of interest.

Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda. (D. Van Zandt 8/31/2021) Updated (12/08/2023)

oh yeah that's right one of you is obsessed with hating gays and trannies and the other one thinks everyone who even looks at a jewish person is antisemitic. i should be watching you two lost souls duke it out more often. could be exciting.

 

[SuperAlly]

oh yeah that's right one of you is obsessed with hating gays and trannies and the other one thinks everyone who even looks at a jewish person is antisemitic. i should be watching you two lost souls duke it out more often. could be exciting.

Your last 2 posts have been the only 2 in this entire thread that weren't worthless

Good job

 

[what-wut]

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He was probably desperately scurring to disprove all the international NGO's and this is what he came up with.

I gave 3 as an example but there are probably much much more and they all say the same stuff about Israel.

And I bet "NGO monitor" tries to disprove them all.

 

[DEVILsSON]

they provided medical treatment to ISIS as well as attacked the same armies that ISIS was attacking in syria. a lot of the trainers that train these foreign rebel groups on the US's behalf are former/current IDF as well.

not to mention shit like this:

Inside Israel’s Secret Program to Back Syrian Rebels

Fighters were armed and paid to keep Iranian-linked forces away from Israel’s border.

foreignpolicy.com

I could only read the first two paragraphs but the first paragraph seems to contradict what you're saying from that article...

"Israel secretly armed and funded at least 12 rebel groups in southern Syria that helped prevent Iran-backed fighters and militants of the Islamic State from taking up positions near the Israeli border in recent years, according to more than two dozen commanders and rank-and-file members of these groups."

So Israel paid 'moderate' unaffiliated militant groups fighting ISIS to keep ISIS off its border? And? They paid groups who were fighting Iran backed regime militants....ok and? Israel is and was openly against Iran and all its proxies so it makes perfect sense to pay certain groups to keep Iranian proxies and ISIS off its border.

I don't know about treating ISIS since you didn't provide any sources but I can imagine scenarios where if there are injured human beings, Israel will render aid. Just like Israel has provided treatment to Hamas leaders and their families in the past. Does it mean that Israel is propping up Hamas? Should Israel have refused to treat Sinwar's cancer?

"Israeli doctors saved the life of Hamas leader, whom they now blame for the October 7 terrorist attacks, when he was in prison, reports say"

Israeli doctors saved the life of Hamas leader, whom they now blame for the October 7 terrorist attacks, when he was in prison, reports say

Israel blames Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas Gaza, for the October 7 attacks. He had surgery for a brain tumor while in an Israeli prison.

www.businessinsider.com

https://archive.is/TMDdL

Should Israeli hospitals refuse medical treatment to Hamas terrorists?

Israel has consistently provided medical care to Palestinian terrorists, including leaders of Palestinian resistance movements.

www.jpost.com

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I could only read the first two paragraphs but the first paragraph seems to contradict what you're saying from that article...

"Israel secretly armed and funded at least 12 rebel groups in southern Syria that helped prevent Iran-backed fighters and militants of the Islamic State from taking up positions near the Israeli border in recent years, according to more than two dozen commanders and rank-and-file members of these groups."

So Israel paid 'moderate' unaffiliated militant groups fighting ISIS to keep ISIS off its border? And? They paid groups who were fighting Iran backed regime militants....ok and? Israel is and was openly against Iran and all its proxies so it makes perfect sense to pay certain groups to keep Iranian proxies and ISIS off its border.

no, israel paid isis to keep isis/syrian national fights off its border. all the while, israel joined isis in attacking syrian national armies.

I don't know about treating ISIS since you didn't provide any sources but I can imagine scenarios where if there are injured human beings, Israel will render aid. Just like Israel has provided treatment to Hamas leaders and their families in the past. Does it mean that Israel is propping up Hamas? Should Israel have refused to treat Sinwar's cancer?

no, they shouldn't have refused treatment. that's the point. supporting the resistance of a specific ideal or keeping an evil human being alive on a battleground doesn't mean you support those people's efforts unequivocally. that's the point the last dude was making trying to make a blanket statement of "support" for ISIS. sources btw:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/for-the-first-time-israel-describes-the-aid-work-it-carries-out-in-syria/2017/07/19/22e466a6-6c91-11e7-abbc-a53480672286_story.html

Report: Israel treating al-Qaida fighters wounded in Syria civil war

Nusra Front is the Sunni Muslim al-Qaida offshoot which is currently fighting the Iranian-backed axis of Bashar Assad and Hezbollah in Syria.

m.jpost.com

IDF chief finally acknowledges that Israel supplied weapons to Syrian rebels

In interview with UK's Sunday Times, outgoing army commander Gadi Eisenkot says Israel gave opposition groups light arms 'for self-defense'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[DEVILsSON]

no, israel paid isis to keep isis/syrian national fights off its border. all the while, israel joined isis in attacking syrian national armies.

no, they shouldn't have refused treatment. that's the point. supporting the resistance of a specific ideal or keeping an evil human being alive on a battleground doesn't mean you support those people's efforts unequivocally. that's the point the last dude was making trying to make a blanket statement of "support" for ISIS. sources btw:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/for-the-first-time-israel-describes-the-aid-work-it-carries-out-in-syria/2017/07/19/22e466a6-6c91-11e7-abbc-a53480672286_story.html

Report: Israel treating al-Qaida fighters wounded in Syria civil war

Nusra Front is the Sunni Muslim al-Qaida offshoot which is currently fighting the Iranian-backed axis of Bashar Assad and Hezbollah in Syria.

m.jpost.com

IDF chief finally acknowledges that Israel supplied weapons to Syrian rebels

In interview with UK's Sunday Times, outgoing army commander Gadi Eisenkot says Israel gave opposition groups light arms 'for self-defense'

www.timesofisrael.com

It seems Israel maintained a 'truce' with the Al Queda off shoot militants on its borders according to the article. I suppose it's the enemy of my enemy situation...these militants knew not to attack Israel and Israel propped them up to some extent.

"In an interview in the British Sunday Times, before ending his tenure as chief of staff this week, Eisenkot said that Israel had indeed provided light weapons to the rebel groups along the border, saying it was “for self-defense.”

This is interesting, I was unaware. Perhaps it made some tactical sense to Israel to prop up these Al Queda linked militants as a middle finger to Iran and its proxies. Israel's enemies killing each other ....

Certainly makes Western politics trivial and simple in contrast.

"Since the outbreak of the Syrian civil war, which has claimed the lives of upwards of 200,000 people, Israel has provided medical assistance to nearly 2,000 Syrians. The Wall Street Journal quoted "an Israeli military official" who said that most of those treated were armed rebels fighting the regime. “We don’t ask who they are, we don’t do any screening," the official said. "Once the treatment is done, we take them back to the border and they go on their way.”
"

This is about what I thought...

 

[moreorless87]

No surprise. If ISIS or Al Queda were fighting Israel...you'd be team ISIS all the way....

Seems like Israel and the US are pretty strongly pro ISIS and Al Qaeda if it means getting rid of an opponent to the greater Israel project in Assad.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Seems like Israel and the US are pretty strongly pro ISIS and Al Qaeda if it means getting rid of an opponent to the greater Israel project in Assad.

From what I gathered from the articles US and Israel had a difference of opinion on the matter. Israel received border security/non aggression guarantees from the Al Queda linked militants in exchange for small arms and no questions asked medical treatment.

When you're surrounded by militants on all sides sometimes it makes sense to make pragmatic choices. If I learned anything about the Middle East it's that enemy of my enemy is practically an ally.

It is certainly cheaper than spending 50k per missile for Iron Dome.

 

[moreorless87]

So let me get this straight claiming that someone "supports ISIS and Al Qaeda" with no evidence is the ultimate putdown yet claiming that working with them to achieve your aims of expansionist colonialism is fine doesn't compromise you as a poster at all?

 

[kflo]

NGO-Monitor on MediaFactcheckBias labeled a right wing pro-Israeli group.

Conclusion - I don't believe a word they say.

It's funny how normally you're super left with your support for all the trans shit, but with Israel you're far right. You Jewish, correct?

I’m so super left I voted for Trump and have said on these boards forever that I often vote R.

NGO Monitor - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: Israel
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

History​

Founded in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg, NGO Monitor is a Jerusalem-based NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) that analyzes and reports on the output of the international NGO community from a pro-Israel perspective. According to their about page, “NGO Monitor provides information and analysis, promotes accountability, and supports discussion on the reports and activities of NGOs (non-governmental organizations) claiming to advance human rights and humanitarian agendas.”

Analysis / Bias​

NGO Monitor has faced criticism and has been labeled a right-wing pro-Israeli group. For example, in 2013, a member of NGO Monitor was caught editing their own Wikipedia page, which is not allowed. Wikipedia then banned him as an editor. Further, the founder Gerald Steinburg worked for the Israeli government after the formation of the NGO, a seemingly obvious conflict of interest.

Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda. (D. Van Zandt 8/31/2021) Updated (12/08/2023)

Really?

Explain how that's a false equivalency.

Why don't you trust Al Jazeera? Are you saying you can't trust what a Arab or Muslim says?

 

[DEVILsSON]

So let me get this straight claiming that someone "supports ISIS and Al Qaeda" with no evidence is the ultimate putdown yet claiming that working with them to achieve your aims of expansionist colonialism is fine doesn't compromise you as a poster at all?

No it shows that Snub supports extremists just because they hate Israel.

I don't support ISIS or any other extremists but I understand why Israel is making some tough but pragmatic choices. Those Al Queda linked groups weren't killing Israelis/Jews and were maintaining peace on the border. Seems like a logically consistent approach from Israel since they have been saying they want peace.

I am also trying not to be dogmatic in my beliefs but adjust according to the information I am presented. You and Kaz posted some articles with info I didn't know which caused me to reflect and adjust my position. I hope everyone else is like that as well.

Yes Israel is expanding in WB with which I disagree. If Palestinian leadership weren't complete regards they'd have a state by now.

 

[Hog-train]

oh yeah that's right one of you is obsessed with hating gays and trannies and the other one thinks everyone who even looks at a jewish person is antisemitic. i should be watching you two lost souls duke it out more often. could be exciting.

Yet here you are defending all the trans ideology every chance you get. You defend it at every turn so wouldn't that make you obsessed?

Really?

Yep really. I just showed how biased your "source" you posted as ironclad proof is.

My statement about Al Jazeera is being purposefully taken out of context by you. I was replying to Samjj who was asking me why I don't trust his sources. I was stating I don't trust it just like he doesn't trust Al Jazeera.

Nice try with your deceptive bullshit.

Yep can't trust a conservative news source that focuses on Jewish issues. Not on this issue.

You trust Al Jazeera's takes on this war? Highly doubt it.

So why the hell do you expect me to do what you're not willing to do. You're being hypocritical.

False equivalences.

Explain how that's a false equivalency.

Why don't you trust Al Jazeera? Are you saying you can't trust what a Arab or Muslim says?

 

[Xanzito]

 

[SuperAlly]

No one should just be believing any claims against Israel because of repeated shit like this and unrwa staff being hamas etc etc etc

 

[what-wut]

No one should just be believing any claims against Israel because of repeated shit like this and unrwa staff being hamas etc etc etc

More deranged anti-semitism by an Israeli newspaper.... the whole world is conspiring to impugn the oh so righteous state of Israel.

 

[what-wut]

Israeli-American Omer Bartov " is a historian of the Holocaust and is considered one of the world's leading authorities on genocide "

 

[Rholk]

My god.
Less than 1.5 years ago Israel was surrounded by enemies that were supposedly to cause an untold amount of damage to Israel incase of a conflict.
What a turnaround, there isn't a party left standing that poses an actual threat at this point.

Now lets get those hostages home before they stop playing nice after Gazans sabotage another ceasefire talk and Israel decided to just take half of Gaza instead.