International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

You are gish galloping so much. "I didn't make that claim that I just made", hurr durr...
i'm quoting the UN, genius. they specifically state that's what hamas did on 10/7.
Oh, I am aware there are rapists in the IDF, I am not a sack of shit like you that selectively cherry picks what rape victims to trust for convenient fodder for talking points.
no you're a big brained centrist who doesn't have any morals or opinions and thinks they're better than everyone because they play both sides. grow a set of nuts and believe in something for once.
Yeah, Israel is a stronger force, Hamas should resign then....You are deliberately deflating the Israeli deaths and milking the Palestinian by doubling them. I am repeating myself again....By your repetetive body count logic. The Nazis were morally sound than the British in WW2.
would you classify homicide as "evil"? would you classify 800 as "lesser" than 43,000? i'm simply choosing the lesser of two evils.
 
I am off to New Orleans tomorrow so you will not hear from me for a couple days so keep up the good fight sherbros!
Don't forget to check out Saint Anns Street off of Bourbon Street while you're there since you'll probably be looking to get the most out of the trans scene that exists there.
 
I don't know enough about Harris to guess her feelings on this issue.

But she would have to be Netanyahu-style belligerent to do that IMO. If this is something she would lose an election over, surely that suggests there is some real power wielded by pro-Israeli personalities that would work against her if she dared to do that, and could scuttle some of her key policies.

The US has operated with a policy of appeasement (fear?), while publicly asking for a turn of tact. It no longer washes, I'm afraid. All the world sees is appeasement and massive culpability. The US aren't alone in that, don't get me wrong, but Biden is massively responsible for this atrocity of a "war".

Don't forget...

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The game MUST be played or you lose from the get-go. Yeah, it sucks, but that's how American politics is. Once you gain the power, then you control the faucets.

But you MUST win first.

"Just WIN baby!"

- Al Davis, Okland Raiders owner (R.I.P.)
 
interesting that you assume that when the report you posted a dozen times specifically stated that hamas stages dead bodies (of both men and women) for humiliation and self-pride.

why would they need to take her away to rape her?

So they can take her as a hostage and pass her around to other Hamas members and rape her multiple times, you don't see that as a distinct possibility with that picture?
 
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i'd classify it as a war crime but considering they are the same religion and ethnic group, probably not a genocide, unless you count ukraine as a minority group of some kind.
<{Joewithit}>

You know there are Arabs in Israel right......

if you define 50 militant soldiers and 10,000 civilians in a refugee camp as "being used as a military base" then sure. i wouldn't.
Provide a source for those numbers in a camp because the rations don't match those figures at all.

the native americans took hundreds of years to kill off. was that not a genocide then?
Yes.....But Gaza's population has been increasing, its population has been decreasing during a war like most that do, dummy.

then what good is the warning, dumbass? good guy israel can guarantee you a 5% increase in likelihood to survive their inevitable hellfire. wow, those guys sure are careful.
You are too dumb enough to be this smug....I just explained why and you give a cucked 5% increase in chance, again look at the numbers if they were just going on a rampage trying to kill civilians, the numbers would be a helluva a lot higher.

is there no middle ground between "letting them fire" and "turning the entire state into a parking lot?"
Hyperbole, nice like your inflated 100k figure and the claim that they kill 50 terrorists and 10k civilians
 
He is the first to label everyone else, but let's face it he would lead Israel's death camp if he could. His hate for nonJews and total belief in the zionistss narrative equals any .... how do I say it .... person wearing Hugo Boss in a camp in Poland in 1943.

I am off to New Orleans tomorrow so you will not hear from me for a couple days so keep up the good fight sherbros!

Have a great trip and watch out for the catcallers at the bars! They're always looking for suckers!
 
So they could pass her around to other Hamas members and rape her multiple times, you don't see that as a distinct possibility with that picture?
Best case scenario, he is just an obnoxious idiot. Worst case scenario, he is a dishonest creep because of the mental gymnastics that he is doing here. He wants us to directly post a rape video for proof.
 
Best case scenario, he is just an obnoxious idiot. Worst case scenario, he is a dishonest creep because of the mental gymnastics that he is doing here. He wants us to directly post a rape video for proof.
And if anyone actually does post a video that involves rape they get banned so he's essentially asking posters to suicide themselves to prove something that's already pretty obvious.
 
Best case scenario, he is just an obnoxious idiot. Worst case scenario, he is a dishonest creep because of the mental gymnastics that he is doing here. He wants us to directly post a rape video for proof.

I really just don't know what to think anymore with this guy, he can't be trolling with something this disgusting, can he?
 
i'm quoting the UN, genius. they specifically state that's what hamas did on 10/7.

no you're a big brained centrist who doesn't have any morals or opinions and thinks they're better than everyone because they play both sides. grow a set of nuts and believe in something for once.
I am not a centrist, jesus christ, I am a liberal that doesn't just jump to whatever positions are trendy and I don't think I am better than everyone. I just try to be as well informed as I can be if that makes you feel bad about yourself, maybe try learning more about the conflict instead of jumping to new conclusions with sloppy evidence. I have more morals than you do. So fuck off with that virtue signaling bullshit when you are gagging on the balls of Hezbollah and Hamas and being a rape apologist.

would you classify homicide as "evil"? would you classify 800 as "lesser" than 43,000? i'm simply choosing the lesser of two evils.
Lol whatta retarded response. I already answered your question. Maybe this will help you understand it.

wide comparative historical analysis suggests a (conservative) ratio of 1:1 on average. Crucially, however, in urban warfare the ratios climb very sharply. The Washington DC-based Center for Civilians in Conflict reports that “In cities […] civilians account for 90 percent of the casualties during war.” Similarly, in its global survey of armed conflicts from 2011 to 2020, the NGO Action on Armed Violence found that “91% of those reported killed or injured by explosive weapons in populated areas were civilians.” Even when attacks were “explicitly coded as targeting armed actors” specifically, civilian casualties in populated areas still accounted for 69%. The (less than) 1:1.1 ratio of combatant-to-civilian casualties of war in the inordinately densely populated Gaza Strip is astonishingly low in historical comparison. Not only is this conceptually incompatible with genocide – it is its very polar opposite.

Notice also that since the 1:1.1 ratio is inordinately low compared to the norm in urban warfare, then even if, hypothetically, the final true numbers turn out to be doubly worse, they would still be low in historical comparison and therefore incompatible even with a prima facie suspicion of genocide.



I am done talking to you. You don't address any of my points and just gish gallop. I am convinced you have a mental disability or trolling so I'll let you be at this pont because this discussion is beyond your champagne socialist comprehension of the world.
 
I really just don't know what to think anymore with this guy, he can't be trolling with something this disgusting, can he?
I think he is just loud and dumb...atleast thats what I hope. I have repeated the same things to him ad-nauseum and it still doesn't seep into this thick skull that deaths are not the only metric to measure a war.
 
<{Joewithit}>

You know there are Arabs in Israel right......
and there are jews in palestine. israel has killed almost as many jews since october 7th as hamas did on october 7th.
Provide a source for those numbers in a camp because the rations don't match those figures at all.
my number was a guess. there are 1,700,000 refugees in gaza and just less than 20,000 members of hamas total. that's 85-1 at most right there, if you assume 100% of hamas fighters are mixing in with refugees in camps.
the number is more likely 20% at most, as most hamas members are scattered around palestine, qatar, turkey, etc. that'd be 425 civilians for every hamas member in the camp. close to what i projected.

Yes.....But Gaza's population has been increasing, its population has been decreasing during a war like most that do, dummy.
what the hell are you even trying to say here? yeah populations go down during genocide. what?
You are too dumb enough to be this smug....I just explained why and you give a cucked 5% increase in chance, again look at the numbers if they were just going on a rampage trying to kill civilians, the numbers would be a helluva a lot higher.
the numbers are absolutely astronomical and you are claiming it's not genocide because it could be worse? a slobbering retard take if i've ever heard one.
Hyperbole, nice like your inflated 100k figure and the claim that they kill 50 terrorists and 10k civilians
what percentage of hamas do you think is currently mingling in refugee camps? remember, the highest you can possibly go at a 100% clip is an 8500 to 100 civilian/hamas ratio.
 
So what should Israel do? Let Hamas recalibrate for another October 7th and repeat the cycle?
Basically. They want to kick the can down the road so we can have another century of never ending war or hopefully Israel will finally get finished off.
 
Don't forget...

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The game MUST be played or you lose from the get-go. Yeah, it sucks, but that's how American politics is. Once you gain the power, then you control the faucets.

But you MUST win first.

"Just WIN baby!"

- Al Davis, Okland Raiders owner (R.I.P.)

I overlooked something. I'm gonna hold my hands up.

The stupid "30 days grace" Biden gave Netanyahu coincides with the election date + about 10 days.

Maybe that really is a shot across the bows - or maybe it is, as I have felt throughout, more false hope of US action.

But clearly it does concentrate all the emphasis on the election date, even if it's a feint to win votes from those who cannot abide by Israel's actions this past year.

I'm worried that's exactly what this is - more lip service. How confident are you that Harris will reel in Israel?
 
So what should Israel do? Let Hamas recalibrate for another October 7th and repeat the cycle?

I don't know what Israel should do now.

I know what they should have done 9 months ago (work with Palestinian civilians to expunge Iranian/terrorist influence and restore their pride), but now? No reconciliation from Israel will ever be enough, it's gone too far, and they were warned throughout.

I don't have any answers that will sate responses to Netanyahu's genocide. None. The cycle is already perpetuated, it's done, man, total failure has been achieved for another generation while idiots clapped like seals and talked about bulls and horns. Enjoy your death-go-round.
 
I am not a centrist, jesus christ, I am a liberal
so a centrist. fucking incredible.
that doesn't just jump to whatever positions are trendy and I don't think I am better than everyone. I just try to be as well informed as I can be if that makes you feel bad about yourself, maybe try learning more about the conflict instead of jumping to new conclusions with sloppy evidence. I have more morals than you do. So fuck off with that virtue signaling bullshit when you are gagging on the balls of Hezbollah and Hamas and being a rape apologist.
your morals don't exist. you play the middle so you can talk down on both sides like a poli-sci freshman.
Lol whatta retarded response. I already answered your question. Maybe this will help you understand it.

wide comparative historical analysis suggests a (conservative) ratio of 1:1 on average. Crucially, however, in urban warfare the ratios climb very sharply. The Washington DC-based Center for Civilians in Conflict reports that “In cities […] civilians account for 90 percent of the casualties during war.” Similarly, in its global survey of armed conflicts from 2011 to 2020, the NGO Action on Armed Violence found that “91% of those reported killed or injured by explosive weapons in populated areas were civilians.” Even when attacks were “explicitly coded as targeting armed actors” specifically, civilian casualties in populated areas still accounted for 69%. The (less than) 1:1.1 ratio of combatant-to-civilian casualties of war in the inordinately densely populated Gaza Strip is astonishingly low in historical comparison. Not only is this conceptually incompatible with genocide – it is its very polar opposite.

Notice also that since the 1:1.1 ratio is inordinately low compared to the norm in urban warfare, then even if, hypothetically, the final true numbers turn out to be doubly worse, they would still be low in historical comparison and therefore incompatible even with a prima facie suspicion of genocide.



I am done talking to you. You don't address any of my points and just gish gallop. I am convinced you have a mental disability or trolling so I'll let you be at this pont because this discussion is beyond your champagne socialist comprehension of the world.
you realize they, because they have to, are including genocides and war crimes in those numbers yeah? armed conflicts from 2011-2020 would include the genocide in sudan, boko haram, myanmar ethnic cleansing, etc.
 
So what should Israel do? Let Hamas recalibrate for another October 7th and repeat the cycle?
that's what israel has guaranteed will happen. they have successfully radicalized hundreds of thousands of people in gaza.
 
so a centrist. fucking incredible.

your morals don't exist. you play the middle so you can talk down on both sides like a poli-sci freshman.

you realize they, because they have to, are including genocides and war crimes in those numbers yeah? armed conflicts from 2011-2020 would include the genocide in sudan, boko haram, myanmar ethnic cleansing, etc.
What do you see so bad to being a centrist? The extreme elements of the left and right are the reason people are fucking fighting all the time and we have so much division and nothing gets done. Of course not every issue is going to have a middle ground but it's like you people thrive on this hatred.
 
What do you see so bad to being a centrist? The extreme elements of the left and right are the reason people are fucking fighting all the time and we have so much division and nothing gets done. Of course not every issue is going to have a middle ground but it's like you people thrive on this hatred.
because it both shows a lack of character and passion, and will lead to absolutely nothing getting done ever. you need a moral code to make moral decisions. if your only moral code is "let's meet somewhere in the middle" you will only prolong conflict.
 
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