International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[oski]

Valiant effort.

How can you say that blowing up both claimed military targets and civilians simultaneously, again including completely innocent children, is NOT state funded terror?

Or, do you posses the intellectual integrity to admit, that yes, in this case, I support state funded terror?

 

[KnightTemplar]

Yup. Whomever executed this is creating dilemmas for Hezbollah instead of problems.

Even by IDF/Sayeret Matkal/Mossad standards, this Op was on another level. It didn't happen overnight, either. Whoever is responsible,

- Had intelligence that Hezbollah were going to be in the market for a large number of pagers.

- Set up their own supplier, or turned a supplier they knew would be favoured by Hezbollah.

- Turned thousands of pagers into mini-IED's.

- Waited until the optimum time to detonate the pager bombs to cause maximum damage.

This operation is going to be used in special forces and intelligence training schools the world over as a perfect example of a covert assassination.

 

[Gutter Chris]

It is my understanding that the international community , the UN all accept the 67 borders based on international law.

Though from reading your posts, you seem to favour colonization, ethnic cleansig, and genocide mixed in with a bit of rape and dismiss internationa law.

Edit; war have conquences. So you are fine with the German Special Action groups running around Ukraine in 43?

Why do you keep bringing up the nazis ? I legit don't get your point. They started a war and got their shit pushed in for it too and they had to accept an unconditional surrender......which is exactly what the Palestinians have earned but have yet to do and thus hostilities have gone on and on

Listen as far as I can tell from what I know of human history , any group at any time may try to take land or resources or kill a group they don't like.... but you'd better win or be able to deal with the consequences of failure if you want to play that game. And that's something the Palestinians can't seem to figure out. Germans learned that the hard way too

 

[SammyPops]

Why do you keep bringing up the nazis ? I legit don't get your point. They started a war and got their shit pushed in for it too and they had to accept an unconditional surrender......which is exactly what the Palestinians have earned but have yet to do and thus hostilities have gone on and on

Listen as far as I can tell from what I know of human history , any group at any time may try to take land or resources or kill a group they don't like.... but you'd better win or be able to deal with the consequences of failure if you want to play that game. And that's something the Palestinians can't seem to figure out. Germans learned that the hard way too

b/c its the easiest example to prove his and many others double standards.

 

[SammyPops]

Round and round we go. I don't support any of those things though. I just think wars and failure to make peace especially if you are on the losing side has consequences and in theory the winner of the war gets what they want. Anyone who can't live with that should act accordingly

What I think is that gaza should go back to Israel because there is no way for the Palestinians who live there to not be under a permanent occupation due to past behavior, Jerusalem should be returned to Israel and the rest of Samaria can become Palestine if they stop fucking around and actually give peace a try.

And shut the fuck up about colonization, you live in Canada and I don't hear a peep from you about returning your lands back to the indigenous community. Why's it alright for your country to form through conquest but theirs isn't. Your fight for the land is over. Theirs isn't.

Did you reply twice to the same post?

Either accept international law or admit your Jewish Supremacy. I do not give a shit but at least be honest with yourself.

 

[Hog-train]

And shut the fuck up about colonization, you live in Canada and I don't hear a peep from you about returning your lands back to the indigenous community. Why's it alright for your country to form through conquest but theirs isn't. Your fight for the land is over. Theirs isn't.

#1. It's not alright for a colonial power to just take lands. But what's done is done and you can't go back.
#2. We're not talking about Israel giving back any land. We're talking about the 22% of the land that the Palestinians currently are on but the Israelis are occupying. The land post 1967 war.

You can't occupy people for what's now about 70 years. They're doing a permanent occupation.

 

[DEVILsSON]

How can you say that blowing up both claimed military targets and civilians simultaneously, again including completely innocent children, is NOT state funded terror?

Or, do you posses the intellectual integrity to admit, that yes, in this case, I support state funded terror?

Deflect, Deny and make counter accusations.


I don't support Israeli actions across the board(which I've stated ad nauseum already) but if Israel has military objectives which they are accomplishing then that's the price of war. Most sensible governments do not start wars where they know they will get their butts kicked and have their people die and suffer needlessly. Then again regimes like Hamas, Putin, etc don't care. It doesn't make Israel's actions illegal.

You could argue morality of war all day long but the answer is never so simple. Most of the people in this thread posting non stop sad pro Palestinian articles and images/social media posts probably could give a shit about war in Ukraine or elsewhere where many more people have died. This is selective outrage. I do understand it for some people who have family there or some connection (like Koya) but for some others it almost feels like some popular point of conversation or virtue signaling. Otherwise you'd be doing the equivalent of "Leave Brittney Alone" meme for each and every war and conflict in the world but of course many here don't even know of all the other conflicts and wars.

 

[DEVILsSON]

You are quickly entering the ranks of ziontards like Chad TriggerCuck with such posts.

Is there a term in the english language that encompasses strawman argument, false equivlencies, retarded comparisons, ignoring history, and believing one narrative totally? I'm goona call it an DevilsSonRetardism!!!!

Zero attempt to respond to anything I said and just straight to personal attacks.

Time for Canadians to return lands back to indigenous people and for you and your family to fuck off wherever you came from...stop colonizing poor Indigenous people you monster!

 

[Misanthropist]

There was probably a kid somewhere in Lebanon that had his face blown off.

Sherdog Terrorists: ROFLMAO!!!!

And completely ignoring that they’ve provoked the Lebanese population.

 

[Strychnine]

A "shaping operation"?!?

 

[SammyPops]

Zero attempt to respond to anything I said and just straight to personal attacks.

Time for Canadians to return lands back to indigenous people and for you and your family to fuck off wherever you came from...stop colonizing poor Indigenous people you monster!

I did respond by pointing out how nonsensical and retarded your post was.

 

[DEVILsSON]

I did respond by pointing out how nonsensical and retarded your post was.

You did no such thing. You are again just insulting me without specifically stating in what way you disagree with what I said or what you found objectionable. I am completely fine with us holding polar opposite opinions on things but it defeats the purpose of conversation if you don't bother to even try to have a civil discussion.

Again what would any other country (at least a country with the military might to do something about it) do if they were getting hit with missiles? Russia? China? US? Germany? France?

 

[DEVILsSON]

#1. It's not alright for a colonial power to just take lands. But what's done is done and you can't go back.
#2. We're not talking about Israel giving back any land. We're talking about the 22% of the land that the Palestinians currently are on but the Israelis are occupying. The land post 1967 war.

You can't occupy people for what's now about 70 years. They're doing a permanent occupation.

1967 borders is some magical thinking....that existed prior to the war...not afterwards...

something closer to 2000 borders is more within the possibility but unlikely now since Israel will want all territory along the borders with Egypt and Jordan.

 

[Halifax]

#1. It's not alright for a colonial power to just take lands. But what's done is done and you can't go back.
#2. We're not talking about Israel giving back any land. We're talking about the 22% of the land that the Palestinians currently are on but the Israelis are occupying. The land post 1967 war.

You can't occupy people for what's now about 70 years. They're doing a permanent occupation.

Is Jordan going to return the 3/4ths of mandatory palestine they annexed? Lol

 

[Halifax]

Even by IDF/Sayeret Matkal/Mossad standards, this Op was on another level. It didn't happen overnight, either. Whoever is responsible,

- Had intelligence that Hezbollah were going to be in the market for a large number of pagers.

- Set up their own supplier, or turned a supplier they knew would be favoured by Hezbollah.

- Turned thousands of pagers into mini-IED's.

- Waited until the optimum time to detonate the pager bombs to cause maximum damage.

This operation is going to be used in special forces and intelligence training schools the world over as a perfect example of a covert assassination.

Oh I'm sure it will be spun very shortly into "each and every one of these pagers was bought as a child's birthday present. The videos you see don't show the 2950 out of 3000 that blew up a child"

 

[Snubnoze707]

You guys remember how Israel uses white phosphorus on the Lebanese?

Now they're distributing compact bombs amongst the populace, with no regard for civilian harm.

The shit Israel does the US has argued as grounds for invasion and regime change...

Lebanon: Israel’s White Phosphorous Use Risks Civilian Harm​

(Beirut) – Israel’s widespread use of white phosphorus in south Lebanon is putting civilians at grave risk and contributing to civilian displacement, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch verified the use of white phosphorus munitions by Israeli forces in at least 17 municipalities across south Lebanon since October 2023, including 5 municipalities where airburst munitions were unlawfully used over populated residential areas.

Lebanon: Israel’s White Phosphorous Use Risks Civilian Harm

Israel's widespread use of white phosphorus in south Lebanon is putting civilians at grave risk and contributing to civilian displacement. Human Rights Watch verified the use of white phosphorus munitions by Israeli forces in at least 17 municipalities across south Lebanon since October 2023...

www.hrw.org

 

[Hog-train]

1967 borders is some magical thinking....that existed prior to the war...not afterwards...

I said POST 1967. Gaza and the West Bank.

Is Jordan going to return the 3/4ths of mandatory palestine they annexed? Lol

Jordan renounced all claims to the West Bank and Palestine and severed ties more than 30 years ago.

Completely irrelevant sidestepping comment.

 

[Koya]

If you still think it's not about hatred of Arabs, think again. It's very clear it is.

 

[iwannabeadored]

1967 borders is some magical thinking....that existed prior to the war...not afterwards...

something closer to 2000 borders is more within the possibility but unlikely now since Israel will want all territory along the borders with Egypt and Jordan.

Which has what it’s been about all this time. They want the land

 

[BAM]

If you still think it's not about hatred of Arabs, think again. It's very clear it is.

The full clip adds a bit more context. He starts by pointing out she's a former DNC party operative, ie "this woman is a hack". He then proceeds to cross examine her as if she is a hostile witness, ignoring her responses and cutting her off to save time (he only gets 5 minutes for Q&A). He probably saw Piers Morgan do this in interviews and thought he would do the same, not expecting her to actually give firm answers.

I take this more as cynically dismissing her for the purpose of supporting Israel rather than a hatred of arabs. Perhaps a callous indifference. It was a hack move, but par for the course in these committees, not exclusively reserved for arabs.

As for the bag comment, I took that to mean "you should be ashamed and hide your face in public"