International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[SuperAlly]

Kool story but which innocents? The evidence shows that the ravers at Nova were victims of the Hannibal doctrine and everyone else that died were armed settlers, policemen and IDF soldiers.

Ah, you are a filthy pos

Should have guessed

 

[SuperAlly]

Honestly its embarrassing how detached from reality you are, can you seriously look at the West Bank and the growth of illegal settlements and say thats not ethnic cleansing? kids growing up in refugee camps doesn't gainsay that.

Israeli is at fault for ruthlessly oppressing the Palestinian population for many decades as well as clearly not being willing to engage in any peace process in good faith which has resulted in the rise of Hamas, which lets not forget they didnt actually seem to mind in the past when it allowed them to divide Palestinian power and provide an excuse for not engauging with the peace process honestly.

You follow the standard Israeli practice of asking people to condemn Hamas for the 400th time yet you yourself seem totally unwilling to condemn Israeli actions, you've posted here for over a year happily along side some open racists in favour of it.

The absolute cheek of this guy using the phrase "not in good faith" in a post that can only be described as being in entirely bad faith

 

[SuperAlly]

Good job for chat gpting or stating the obvious? Not sure what you want me tot do with this post. Israel routinely ignores proportionality.

You're full of crap

 

[SuperAlly]

Look it up. I cant be bothered.

Seeing that you dont consider any israeli to be a legitimate innocent. I honestly dont see a point in it

How come not one poster on the pro Hamas terrorist side in this thread has pulled that guy up for his bs?

Shows they aren't really the moral crusaders they pretend to be.

 

[avenue94]

You're full of crap

Oh is that why Israel loosened rules of engagement this time around, which directly led to a massive increase in civilian casualties.

 

[kflo]

Oh is that why Israel loosened rules of engagement this time around, which directly led to a massive increase in civilian casualties.

“This time around”, Hamas upped the ante just a bit, don’t you think?

Hamas made it clear they can no longer simply be tolerated as neighbors……you know this of course.

 

[avenue94]

“This time around”, Hamas upped the ante just a bit, don’t you think?

Hamas made it clear they can no longer simply be tolerated as neighbors……you know this of course.

Hamas is employing the same tactics and strategy it has in recent conflcts, they simply executed better and Israel executed worse on 10/7.

 

[kflo]

Hamas is employing the same tactics and strategy it has in recent conflcts, they simply executed better and Israel executed worse on 10/7.

Stop lying. The scale they executed on was way larger than anything ever by multiples. As was the response.

Again…..

Hamas made it clear they can no longer simply be tolerated as neighbors……you know this of course.

 

[avenue94]

Stop lying. The scale they executed on was way larger than anything ever by multiples. As was the response.

Again…..

Hamas made it clear they can no longer simply be tolerated as neighbors……you know this of course.

Yes they scaled up existing tactics. That's not a change of strategy, that's building on an existing one.

As always, you keep wanting to deny that the main difference compared to previous conflicts was lackluster Israeli preparation.

And of course you're gonna deny that and claim ots victim blaming to highlight clear failures.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Hamas made it clear they can no longer simply be tolerated as neighbors……you know this of course.

Neither has Israel, but again you people with the double standards.

 

[evergreenrider]

Neither has Israel, but again you people with the double standards.

Par for the course when it somes to superiority complex.

 

[kflo]

Neither has Israel, but again you people with the double standards.

Yeah well Israel isn’t going anywhere……

And yes, Israel gets along fine with some of their Arab neighbors…….funny it’s the ones who currently don’t want to eradicate them…..

 

[kflo]

Par for the course when it somes to superiority complex.

lol. You can’t stop…..

It’s not “Israel” with you either……

 

[kflo]

Yes they scaled up existing tactics. That's not a change of strategy, that's building on an existing one.

Lie.

As always, you keep wanting to deny that the main difference compared to previous conflicts was lackluster Israeli preparation.

Lie.

And of course you're gonna deny that and claim ots victim blaming to highlight clear failures.

Israel failed because they didn’t relentlessly limit Gaza’s ins and outs.

But they also fail by……limiting Gaza’s ins and outs…….at least in your view.

In other words, they can’t do anything right. They will by definition do the wrong thing because with many of you, the choice they make out of bad choices can always be the wrong choice.

 

[avenue94]

Lie

What strategies or tactics did they deploy that they previously haven't?

srael failed because they didn’t relentlessly limit Gaza’s ins and outs.

Nott ignoring credible reports of impending attacks also works.

There's no practical way to blockade everything coming in and out of Gaza without tremendously curtailing human rights even more.

Not every problem can be killed, starved and blockaded away.

In other words, they can’t do anything right.

Sure they can. You're just making shit up as usual because you don't want to address valid criticisms of Israel's approach.

Remind me again, where is this masterful plan for post-war Gaza that you've been insisting Israel has had to keep secret for over a year now?

 

[kflo]

What strategies or tactics did they deploy that they previously haven't?

Tell me when they employed large scale offensive attacks on Israeli soil?

Nott ignoring credible reports of impending attacks also works.

They get credible reports all the time. We ignored credible reports for 9/11. Germany ignored credible reports for the car attack. It’s a failing sure. It doesn’t place the blame at their feet.

There's no practical way to blockade everything coming in and out of Gaza without tremendously curtailing human rights even more.

There’s no practical way to protect Israeli citizens without significant restrictions on Gaza. And that’s Israel’s responsibility to their people.

Not every problem can be killed, starved and blockaded away.

Yet you blame Israel for not stopping an attack from their neighbors.

Sure they can. You're just making shit up as usual because you don't want to address valid criticisms of Israel's approach.

You have no valid alternative. You just get to blame them for whatever they do do because every choice available is a bad one.

Remind me again, where is this masterful plan for post-war Gaza that you've been insisting Israel has had to keep secret for over a year now?

Stop lying about what I’ve been “insisting”. You are doing it in every thread and it’s lame.

 

[avenue94]

Tell me when they employed large scale offensive attacks on Israeli soil?

They have frequently employed raids on Israeli soil with the purpose of doing damage and capturing hostages. 10/7 follows that trend, but scaled it up. Same strategy, better execution.

They get credible reports all the time. We ignored credible reports for 9/11. Germany ignored credible reports for the car attack. It’s a failing sure. It doesn’t place the blame at their feet.

I sure as heck lay blame on the government for missing 9/11 and Pearl Harbor warnings. There's going to be a lot of ended careers over 10/7 when it's all said and done, and it's clear that Israel has been dragging its feet here. That tells you enough about the magnitude of the failure.

Yet you blame Israel for not stopping an attack from their neighbors.

No, I blame them for not making it a Tet Offensive level blood bath. Hamas is responsible for its own actions, Israel is responsible for minimizing them to the extent practical.

You have no valid alternative. You just get to blame them for whatever they do do because every choice available is a bad one.

Bad choices run quite the gamut. Israel has had opportunities to take its victory and not squander it, just as they've had choices to better engage with the international community and Palestine. I hold American allies to high standards, especially when we subsidize their wars.

Stop lying about what I’ve been “insisting”. You are doing it in every thread and it’s lame.

Well do they have a viable plan? It looks like they still don't and they're busy trying to renege on the previous negotiations since Trump is in office now.

 

[evergreenrider]

Well do they have a viable plan? It looks like they still don't and they're busy trying to renege on the previous negotiations since Trump is in office now.

https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/

This is the plan.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Misappropriation of the genocide term has been the go to of the Hamas terrorist supporters in this thread

If you enter a country and intentionally kill, torture, kidnap or rape everyone you come into contact with that cannot be called anything other than genocide

I guess the ICC and ICJ are "Hamas terrorist supporters" then...

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Look it up. I cant be bothered.

Seeing that you dont consider any israeli to be a legitimate innocent. I honestly dont see a point in it

There is no evidence that's why lol