International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[kflo]

So now you don't support the deporting of family members.

You won’t find a quote of me saying I did. You just made it up.

That's good.

Thank you for running that back.

Can you now explain why it took this long to denounce an obviously fascist policy imagined by an obviously fascist POS like Netanyahu?

Haha.

Look at you trying to deflect away from your own posts. YOU fucked it up. You tried to make equivalent. Because someone has a grandfather who was a nazi.

 

[Jon!]

You won’t find a quote of me saying I did. You just made it up.

Haha.

Look at you trying to deflect away from your own posts. YOU fucked it up. You tried to make equivalent. Because someone has a grandfather who was a nazi.

Shame.

Back to being incapable of denouncing a Netanyahu policy because of something someone else posted about grandchildren.

The only commonality between a grandchild of a Nazi and the relative of a Hamas terrorist is this: neither committed the crime in question.

You have been thoroughly rinsed.

But more importantly, we all know you are a fascist-populist.

 

[kflo]

Shame.

Back to being incapable of denouncing a Netanyahu policy because of something someone else posted about grandchildren.

The only commonality between a grandchild of a Nazi and the relative of a Hamas terrorist is this: neither committed the crime in question.

You have been thoroughly rinsed.

But more importantly, we all know you are a fascist-populist.

Except again you are lying.

The law doesn’t penalize just being related to a terrorist. That’s not what the law says. So you should stop lying about that. Are you another one who just compulsively lies and gaslights just to avoid acknowledging you were wrong?

Again, I directly quote you and note your bullshit. You just lie and make shit up. Why?

 

[Anewt]

Beware you're close to be called antisemitic for using unbiased logic...

Get your loss in Amsterdam after you attacked people and changed genocidal chants like "KILL EVERY ARABS, BURN EVERY HOUSE IN GAA-ZAAA" and go back to bombing and sniping children with thanks to billions of American taxpayer money.

It went to your head and made you think you could fight on equal terms man to man. You can't.

Furiously droning refugee camps, sniping little kids in the head twice, raping kidnapped prisoners with sticks, starving pregnant women and taking selfies in front of schools you have burned to the ground is the only things you've been good at in the last year.

All thanks to American taxpayer money. Billions of it that you have hijacked. Facts.

No one hiding their face fighting in mobs is fighting like a man mate. Both sides are pussies attacking the vunerable .

And wouldnt be the first time. Its no biggie to me as im extremly confident in my personal morals. Ive been a terrorist/ antisemetic supporter and also and islamaphobe and genocider at different times hah
( im neither obviously )

 

[kflo]

No one hiding their face fighting in mobs is fighting like a man mate. Both sides are pussies attacking the vunerable .

And wouldnt be the first time. Its no biggie to me as im extremly confident in my personal morals. Ive been a terrorist/ antisemetic supporter and also and islamaphobe and genocider at different times hah
( im neither obviously )

But you are a cunt!

Aussie Aussie Aussie!

 

[Samjj]

Why would this be a wrong headline? 35K dead is all the dead bodies found through the entire conflict (which is almost certainly far higher due to unverified deaths and all those under the rubble.)

This article is only talking about id'ed and VERIFIED deaths over a 6 month period.

"The UN agency said it verified the details of 8,119 people killed in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024."

"70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children."

Additionally, I'm not the arbiter of all things Israel/Palestine. I literally just heard about his story because you just tagged me.

I certainly don’t regard you as an arbiter of anything. I am just asking your opinion in regards to the earlier conversation. This is not a gotcha.

The title of the article reads “

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead are women and children, UN says”​

Clearly that is a false statement and the ensuing article doesn’t support it either.

70% of 8119 is 5683.

This is roughly 16% of the casualties from this period.

More accurately, “The U.N. Was able to verify 23% of the reported casualties at this time with 70% being women and children.”

In short actually representing the report.

“16% of reported casualties from this period were verified as women and children”

16% is quite a bit less than 70%, no?

Malevolence or negligence.
@Anewt
What do you think?

 

[Anewt]

I certainly don’t regard you as an arbiter of anything. I am just asking your opinion in regards to the earlier conversation. This is not a gotcha.

The title of the article reads “

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead are women and children, UN says”​

Clearly that is a false statement and the ensuing article doesn’t support it either.

70% of 8119 is 5683.

This is roughly 16% of the casualties from this period.

More accurately, “The U.N. Was able to verify 23% of the reported casualties at this time with 70% being women and children.”

In short actually representing the report.

“16% of reported casualties from this period were verified as women and children”

16% is quite a bit less than 70%, no?

Malevolence or negligence.
@Anewt
What do you think?

Id say its just purposeful manipulation to get the clicks with that headline. Because that figure purerly relies on the other number being accurate ( casualty toll ).

The first paragraph

The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.


Should have included

The UN agency said it verified the details of 8,119 people killed in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024.

Which is later in the article,


Its a rough one because while theres no international press allowed with limited trustworthy organisation stats etc ( well limited ) theres no real other figures.

For example rus ukr. You have countless intelligence agencies legitimate think tanks charities etc making estimates about civilian ( and military casualties ) so theres a oh these are within possible estimates And dont have to believe rusdia / or ukr.


The only estimates ( that are used that i see ) in this come from hamas... which obviously theres every reason to manipulate them.

Its actually a issue with the media control being taken by netanyu that i didnt think of. Not putting out their own figures ( which may look bad. Obviously why they didnt ) the enemy got the narrative. ( and easily can make em look worse )

But on the topic. Manipulative as its proving a number by using a unproven number as a fact.


[ standard media . Theyre all manipulative and bbc is the same.. but at least they include the truth i guess ]

 

[Samjj]

Id say its just purposeful manipulation to get the clicks with that headline. Because that figure purerly relies on the other number being accurate ( casualty toll ).

The first paragraph

The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.


Should have included

The UN agency said it verified the details of 8,119 people killed in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024.

Which is later in the article,


Its a rough one because while theres no international press allowed with limited trustworthy organisation stats etc ( well limited ) theres no real other figures.

For example rus ukr. You have countless intelligence agencies legitimate think tanks charities etc making estimates about civilian ( and military casualties ) so theres a oh these are within possible estimates And dont have to believe rusdia / or ukr.


The only estimates ( that are used that i see ) in this come from hamas... which obviously theres every reason to manipulate them.

Its actually a issue with the media control being taken by netanyu that i didnt think of. Not putting out their own figures ( which may look bad. Obviously why they didnt ) the enemy got the narrative. ( and easily can make em look worse )

But on the topic. Manipulative as its proving a number by using a unproven number as a fact.


[ standard media . Theyre all manipulative and bbc is the same.. but at least they include the truth i guess ]

thanks, I agree with you.

 

[SuperAlly]

Get your loss in Amsterdam after you attacked people and changed genocidal chants like "KILL EVERY ARABS, BURN EVERY HOUSE IN GAA-ZAAA" and go back to bombing and sniping children with thanks to billions of American taxpayer money.

It went to your head and made you think you could fight on equal terms man to man. You can't.

Furiously droning refugee camps, sniping little kids in the head twice, raping kidnapped prisoners with sticks, starving pregnant women and taking selfies in front of schools you have burned to the ground is the only things you've been good at in the last year.

All thanks to American taxpayer money. Billions of it that you have hijacked. Facts.

You need to get out the house and find a hobby or some friends mate

 

[SuperAlly]

yes.

Isn't the defence for Hamas ruling that many of the people in Palestine weren't born when they took charge?

Yet the argument you are making here is all young people are what their parents and grandparents were?

Maybe you want to think that through.

 

[SuperAlly]

Lol! Earlier the discussion was on immediate family that knew about terror attacks and didn’t intervene or contact authorities.

This is calling the granddaughter of a nazi a nazi.

And you think it’s similar. Hahaha.

Cmon guys. Do better.

They can't do better.
They are so obsessively tied to their antisemitism that logic and good faith debate left the building a year ago.

 

[SuperAlly]

Why is the war still going on again ?

Palestinians still hold Israeli hostages.

Israel need to ensure Hamas will never be in a position to commit another horrific assault and litany of war crimes like Oct 7th ever again.

Easy. Give us a difficult one next time.

 

[SuperAlly]

can you read?

The 70% was determined on a fraction of the total deaths, and a different method calculated it at closer to 50%. I didn’t “downplay” the number of deaths.

And yes, the death count still comes from Hamas.

The stupidity of these guys in their rush to condem without any basic reading comprehension is hilarious

Hog has been doing this for days now.

If he just came down from his apoplectic rage and actually read things, he'd stop making these simple reading errors and making a fool of himself.

 

[SuperAlly]

lol. I didn’t support the law. I noted what its stated intent is.

And lol at the lengths you’re going to to try to distance the discussion away from “supporting terrorists and enabling terror attacks is no different than being the granddaughter of a nazi” - it is hilarious.

Just give it up. We’ve established they are not at all the same.

Do you think a granddaughter of a nazi is a nazi and guilty of anything?

You've clearly won that argument and they are trying to move the goalposts rather than just go "oh yeh, I misunderstood. You are correct".

They can't concede any little minor point so they just double and triple down into absurdity

 

[SuperAlly]

D'OH!

I knew you'd flail around like an ant in quicksand.

Moving on from your perpetual populism, when did I pretend being the granddaughter of a Nazi was the same as being a family member who supports terrorism?

All I did was laugh at you for being unable to see that it's the same side of the same coin.

You can't start deporting family members for crimes a relative committed, end of discussion.

You can throw them in jail, of course, if you think they should have prevented the crime in question - but you can't forcibly remove them from their home country.

That is fascism, and you are a fascist.

You really aren't as stupid as the guy you are portraying on this forum.

He is destroying you by sticking to what he said and using logic. You are making a fool of yourself by talking about "what he said" when in fact you are lying/distorting his position, moving goalposts to argue different points he never made and this is all in black and white in the preceding messages.

Tell me you really aren't this dumb?

 

[SuperAlly]

So now you don't support the deporting of family members.

That's good.

Thank you for running that back.

Can you now explain why it took this long to denounce an obviously fascist policy imagined by an obviously fascist POS like Netanyahu?

Man you are retarded

 

[SuperAlly]

Except again you are lying.

The law doesn’t penalize just being related to a terrorist. That’s not what the law says. So you should stop lying about that. Are you another one who just compulsively lies and gaslights just to avoid acknowledging you were wrong?

Again, I directly quote you and note your bullshit. You just lie and make shit up. Why?

24 hour challenge for the pro hamas crowd in here

Spend a day without lying, deliberately misrepresenting other posters words and views and just plain making shit up.

You can do it. We believe in you guys.

One whole day of honesty, integrity and logic.

 

[SuperAlly]

No one hiding their face fighting in mobs is fighting like a man mate. Both sides are pussies attacking the vunerable .

And wouldnt be the first time. Its no biggie to me as im extremly confident in my personal morals. Ive been a terrorist/ antisemetic supporter and also and islamaphobe and genocider at different times hah
( im neither obviously )

Unfortunately these groups of young idiots marauding around city centres with their faces covered happens in most major European cities when their US club football

I don't mind when they fight each other. Clowns

The sad thing is sometimes genuine football fans get caught up in it

 

[SuperAlly]

Id say its just purposeful manipulation to get the clicks with that headline. Because that figure purerly relies on the other number being accurate ( casualty toll ).

The first paragraph

The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.


Should have included

The UN agency said it verified the details of 8,119 people killed in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024.

Which is later in the article,


Its a rough one because while theres no international press allowed with limited trustworthy organisation stats etc ( well limited ) theres no real other figures.

For example rus ukr. You have countless intelligence agencies legitimate think tanks charities etc making estimates about civilian ( and military casualties ) so theres a oh these are within possible estimates And dont have to believe rusdia / or ukr.


The only estimates ( that are used that i see ) in this come from hamas... which obviously theres every reason to manipulate them.

Its actually a issue with the media control being taken by netanyu that i didnt think of. Not putting out their own figures ( which may look bad. Obviously why they didnt ) the enemy got the narrative. ( and easily can make em look worse )

But on the topic. Manipulative as its proving a number by using a unproven number as a fact.


[ standard media . Theyre all manipulative and bbc is the same.. but at least they include the truth i guess ]

This is how Hog etc should have handled this particular element of the debate

Rather than the usual nonsense we are exposed to here

And exactly what kflo or whoever it was was pointing out essentially

 

[Koya]

No one hiding their face fighting in mobs is fighting like a man mate. Both sides are pussies attacking the vunerable .

And wouldnt be the first time. Its no biggie to me as im extremly confident in my personal morals. Ive been a terrorist/ antisemetic supporter and also and islamaphobe and genocider at different times hah
( im neither obviously )

Still more manly than the people who bomb kids in refugee camps from a distance