International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. IV

[Snubnoze707]

Why would someone blatantly and consistently lie about what’s actually happened?

I dunno, you tell me...

 

[kflo]

Sorry, you've been somewhat cordial but that post is completely delusional. Israel have dropped more bombs in a month than what was dropped during the entire Afghanistan war, in one of the most densely populated areas on earth (war crime, against the principle of proportionality in regards to innocent casualties), are using phosphorus bombs on civilian areas (war crime), have bombed refugee camps, hospitals and schools (war crime), have cut access to power, fuel, food and water for civilians leading to deaths (war crime). Israel have destroyed 500.000 homes, displaced millions (illegal) how is that not indescriminate? They have a civilian casualty rate of 80-90% depending on the source, and that includes hospitals staff, aid workers, journalists, school staff and the list goes on. The IDF have killed 6000 CHILDREN in a little over a month when the average global death count of all conflict areas on earth combined is usually less than 3000. Think about that for a moment, it's absurd. The UN is calling Gaza a childrens graveyard and all international humanitarian organisations are protesting. Do you not realise what is going on? To say, with a straight face, that Israel is liberating Palestine by destroying Gaza and displaying the people (ethnic cleansing), committing war crimes and killing thousands of civilians is insane doublespeak propaganda.

You completely ignored what I said. You didn’t address a single thing I said.

There is no source on % of civilian casualties. None. You make no reference to hamas anywhere in your response.

On the 12th Anniversary of the Popular Uprising: A Total of 230,224 Civilians Documented as Dead, including 15,275 Who Died due to Torture, 154,871 Arrested and/or Forcibly Disappeared, and Roughly 14 Million Syrians Displaced - Syrian Arab Republic

Analysis in English on Syrian Arab Republic about Protection and Human Rights and Earthquake; published on 15 Mar 2023 by SNHR

reliefweb.int

230k dead. 30k children. 14m displaced. 15k dead from torture.

 

[San Marino]

IDF soldiers places 300L of fuel outside of Al-Shifa hospital so that they can keep operating.
Really?
How do we know that is the AI-Shifa hospital?
How do we know that these Israeli videos are not just propaganda? Like the ones taken inside the hospital and the tunnels?
Were the weapons found inside the hospital planted there?

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Kinda interesting Arab nations have no interest in intervening. A lot has changed since the 60s. Egypt now has an army bigger than Israel's.

The two aircraft carrier groups and the nuclear submarine might be part of it...

 

[oldshadow]

At this point with the fuck head pro hamas protesters and supporters say the shit they come up with. Like there was no rapes hamas didn't do anything wrong it's all lies. They are freedom fghtersand other bullshit while tearing down hostage posters. They can all eat shit and die.

I hope they use the same tactics the left uses on the protesters. Cancel them in every way possible. Get them fired make sure the ones in college never find work. Make sure their names get out there.

Freedom of speech but not free from consequences.

 

[Hog-train]

I kind of enjoy these people claiming, "oh it wasn't a command center, they were just firing missiles from it, holding hostages in it and digging tunnels beneath it"

Sorry Hamas. You're getting bombed.

Dude I like you but it's a little naive to believe all the places Israel are bombing have a legit reason to be targeted.

Several UN schools that turned into a shelter have been bombed as well as a UN compound that did NOT have other buildings around it. These targets did not have missiles being fired from it, nor were housing terrorists or had tunnels underneath. You're gobbling up Israeli propaganda.

An IDF spokesperson was even quoted as saying they're trying to do damage and not accuracy.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-war-jabalya-camp-strike-intl-hnk/index.html

Many killed, injured in bombing of UN compound in Gaza

UN Development Programme says ‘deeply distressed by preliminary reports of shelling of UN compound in Gaza’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Sano]

You completely ignored what I said. You didn’t address a single thing I said.

There is no source on % of civilian casualties. None. You make no reference to hamas anywhere in your response.

On the 12th Anniversary of the Popular Uprising: A Total of 230,224 Civilians Documented as Dead, including 15,275 Who Died due to Torture, 154,871 Arrested and/or Forcibly Disappeared, and Roughly 14 Million Syrians Displaced - Syrian Arab Republic

Analysis in English on Syrian Arab Republic about Protection and Human Rights and Earthquake; published on 15 Mar 2023 by SNHR

reliefweb.int

230k dead. 30k children. 14m displaced. 15k dead from torture.

You didn't say anything other than the same vague "what can you do" deflection and then claimed Israel was liberating the Palestinians. Which as I said is gaslighting nonsense. Now it's whatabout Syria, which is an atrocious conflict that has spanned 12 years. Another deflection, and one that has no barring on this conversation.

I mentioned the war crimes that Israel have committed and are committing, listing them and the reasons why, including killing 6000 children in a little over a month. A rate that didn't even happen in Syria, although that's irrelevant. Address those points. Disproportionate and indescriminate bombing, phosphorus, refugee camps, hospitals, schools, displacement, blocking aid and utilities, cutting power to hospitals and killing patients, killing thousands of children, the list goes on. All war crimes. I don't want to sound like a broken record but I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone with how bizarre the justifications or dismissals are.

 

[HereticBD]

Dude I like you but it's a little naive to believe all the places Israel are bombing have a legit reason to be targeted.

Naivety only seems to only go one way with you.

When you're shown a hospital that is clearly being used as a Hamas base, you just deflect and are all "Oh', but what about the other targets, hmmmm????", and if they don't show you proof, you're just claiming that they're just bombing civilians just for the fuck of it. There is no nuanced outlook from you. Israel is either 100% evil or 99.9% evil, and you can't trust the .1%. Meanwhile...Hamas? Oh' that's right, the old canned response of "I don't support Hamas! Booo!"...even though you never ever seem to be able to put any blame on them for the shitstorm they created.

 

[Sano]

Dude I like you but it's a little naive to believe all the places Israel are bombing have a legit reason to be targeted.

Several UN schools that turned into a shelter have been bombed as well as a UN compound that did NOT have other buildings around it. These targets did not have missiles being fired from it, nor were housing terrorists or had tunnels underneath. You're gobbling up Israeli propaganda.

An IDF spokesperson was even quoted as saying they're trying to do damage and not accuracy.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-war-jabalya-camp-strike-intl-hnk/index.html

Many killed, injured in bombing of UN compound in Gaza

UN Development Programme says ‘deeply distressed by preliminary reports of shelling of UN compound in Gaza’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Ministers have said that they are going for damage not accuracy, floated the idea of nuking Gaza, qouted biblical revenge scripture, said they want a 2023 Gaza Nakba (ethnic cleansing) and more. The rhetoric has been extremely alarming.

 

[tastaylvr]

Hamas killed 1600 Israelis where 55% of them were soldiers. I wonder what the percentage is for Israelis?

 

[HereticBD]

You didn't say anything other than the same vague "what can you do" deflection and then claimed Israel was liberating the Palestinians. Which as I said is gaslighting nonsense. Now it's whatabout Syria, which is an atrocious conflict that has spanned 12 years. Another deflection, and one that has no barring on this conversation.

I mentioned the war crimes that Israel have committed and are committing, listing them and the reasons why, including killing 6000 children in a little over a month. A rate that didn't even happen in Syria, although that's irrelevant. Address those points. Disproportionate and indescriminate bombing, phosphorus, refugee camps, hospitals, schools, displacement, blocking aid and utilities, cutting power to hospitals and killing patients, killing thousands of children, the list goes on. All war crimes. I don't want to sound like a broken record but I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone with how bizarre the justifications or dismissals are.

Ah' yes, the "war crimes" of Israel...

How about the "war crimes" of Hamas that set this shit in motion? Do you even remember them or care? Oh' that's right, they're not held to the same standards as those damn Jews. They can do whatever the fuck want without threat of being annihilated in retaliation.

You're whining and crying about bombings, and yet, not a damn word about what Hamas did to cause it. No tears for the mutilated women and children. That was just a little whoopsie, from some rogue faction that is totally not supported by the Palestinian people in any way whatsoever...

 

[HereticBD]

Hamas killed 1600 Israelis where 55% of them were soldiers.

Well that's a fucking lie.

 

[Sano]

Hamas killed 1600 Israelis where 55% of them were soldiers. I wonder what the percentage is for Israelis?

Regardless, what happened that day was a tragedy beyond comprehension. Despicable. My ex girlfriend is Israeli and while she fortunately was in Tel Aviv, everyone was in total shock. I can't imagine being the hostages either and it's not something I like to think about.

 

[Sano]

Ah' yes, the "war crimes" of Israel...

How about the "war crimes" of Hamas that set this shit in motion? Do you even remember them or care? Oh' that's right, they're not held to the same standards as those damn Jews. They can do whatever the fuck want without threat of being annihilated in retaliation.

You're whining and crying about bombings, and yet, not a damn word about what Hamas did to cause it. No tears for the mutilated women and children. That was just a little whoopsie, from some rogue faction that is totally not supported by the Palestinian people in any way whatsoever...

This is not even worth responding to. I have been very clear as to what I think about Hamas. All you have is this strawman nonsense because you can't argue the point.

 

[OneOfOne]

At this point with the fuck head pro hamas protesters and supporters say the shit they come up with. Like there was no rapes hamas didn't do anything wrong it's all lies. They are freedom fghtersand other bullshit while tearing down hostage posters. They can all eat shit and die.

I hope they use the same tactics the left uses on the protesters. Cancel them in every way possible. Get them fired make sure the ones in college never find work. Make sure their names get out there.

Freedom of speech but not free from consequences.

Insane

 

[Hog-train]

Naivety only seems to only go one way with you.

When you're shown a hospital that is clearly being used as a Hamas base, you just deflect and are all "Oh', but what about the other targets, hmmmm????", and if they don't show you proof, you're just claiming that they're just bombing civilians just for the fuck of it. There is no nuanced outlook from you. Israel is either 100% evil or 99.9% evil, and you can't trust the .1%. Meanwhile...Hamas? Oh' that's right, the old canned response of "I don't support Hamas! Booo!"...even though you never ever seem to be able to put any blame on them for the shitstorm they created.

Stop strawmanning. Never did I say some hospitals aren't being used as storage or none of the targets are not legit.

Israel is claiming everything they're bombing is a legit target and that they have no choice. I am giving direct examples contradicting that claim. They bombed UN controlled buildings that have nothing to do with Hamas and innocent people were killed including UN workers. Pretty simple.

"IDF spokesperson R Adm Daniel Hagari made the startling admission that “hundreds of tons of bombs” had already been dropped on the tiny strip, adding that “the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy”."

Address the points being made - not go on some strawman tangent.

 

[HereticBD]

This is not even worth responding to. I was absolutely horrified by the attack on Oct 7 and have been very clear as to what I think about Hamas. All you have is this strawman nonsense because you can't argue the point.

All you have is "strawman" when your obvious support for Hamas is shoved in your face. Like I said before, if you don't want to wear that hat, take it off. All you have in this thread is "Israel bad". Hamas doesn't even seem to be an entity that is directly involved in this shit to you. Israel is just bombing Palestinians for the fuck of it. No rhyme or reason. They just like to bomb civilians, because they're bad. No war against a terrorist faction that hides among civilians like scared little girls going on here. No Sir! Just civilians getting killed for the fuck of it.

Run your pathetic game on someone else. I see right through you.

 

[MeatWagon06]

Well that's a fucking lie.

it’s absolutely hilarious none of these tards know that 90% of Israelis are considered soldiers. Military is mandatory in Israel. That is why the casualties from the Hamas terrorist attack show that most are soldiers.

 

[HereticBD]

LOL @ "Strawmanning" all of a sudden being this deflective tactic for the terrorist sympathizers in this thread.

Damn, it's really hard to tell that you guys aren't all following the same script....

 

[cincymma79]

Ministers have said that they are going for damage not accuracy, floated the idea of nuking Gaza, qouted biblical revenge scripture, said they want a 2023 Gaza Nakba (ethnic cleansing) and more. The rhetoric has been extremely alarming.

Guy who threatened nukes was sacked. So you’re a liar