International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. II

[dannialn]

Oh come on now. Disinformation has been pushed hard in the media on both sides. With very little fact checking. I would have thought the last couple of years more than proved that.

Let alone the propaganda at the beginning of a conflict escalation.

This is not some random accusations by the hamas ministry.
This was a major war crime accusation, stated as a fact by major media outlets, without any info check, which led to mass protests around the world including assaults on embassies and probably the terror attack in Belgium.

 

[terrapin]

There comes a point where nothing that happened to you or your ancestors justifies your own actions today. Hamas has sailed far past that line. Nothing Israel has ever done justifies Hamas' actions, nor has anything Israel has done made its citizens deserve what happened to them. All this whataboutism is silly.

If your point is that theres no good guys, why be invested in one or the other? This will never have a peaceful ending, and if you believe theyre both terrorists, then the ones with the bigger guns will win.

i think israel is the primary aggressor here. i think they are the bigger stronger foe who thinks they can bully their way into more than they have coming. i think they are committing atrocities and have all along too....

i think what hamas did is profoundly evil and has no justification. but i wonder how many humans would react in their position.... i cannot choose a side between the two but i can stand for truth and moral justice condemning both sides.

bottom line is there are no good guys here and no angles either and pretending there is and getting involved militarily at the risk of ww3 is profoundly stupid and evil.

if i was biden i would cut all funding for israel unless they honored the original deal made after ww3. i would bring these cunts to heel. and if they did that and 5 or ten years later hamas or some other shitbag terrorist group attacked anyway..... then i would support them all being rooted out and killed.

but as it is there are no good guys and no clear right and wrong. pretending otherwise means we dont believe anything we teach kids in kindergarten about right and wrong and about who started it.

i do not believe there is a military solution to this problem. i think there is a spiritual one but it would require all sides to be honest about hidden motives and unjust plans and stop being liars and deceivers and actually stand on the side of good and truth and honesty. nobody is doing that presently. its all lies and bullshit. i cant side with bullshit.

if the majority of people on this cite were on the side of hamas and underplaying their wrongdoing then the majority of my posts would be about pointing out the evils of hamas.

 

[Anewt]

This is not some random accusations by the hamas ministry.
This was a major war crime accusation, stated as a fact by major media outlets, without any info check, which led to mass protests around the world including assaults on embassies and probably the terror attack in Belgium.

Mate.... have you kept tabs on the Ukraine russia shit show? You're talking bombs landing in neighbouring nato nations that the media and Ukraine tried to pin on Russia to escalate the entire situation.

40 beheaded babies is also a heinous warcrime claim.... which directly added to the dehumanizing. Which probably encouraged the psychopath who stabbed a freaking 6 year old Palestinian the states.

Which in turn was the claimed reasoning behind the Belgium shooter.

This shit just doesn't just go one way mate.

 

[Rod1]

I think it needs to be discussed in order to prevent as many innocents death as possible.

Doing it with mass civilian casualties will just create another hamas imo. Or something worse ( although at this moment I can't imagine " worse " )

Edit and yes the cartel videos are depraved and insane, but far easier to not think of the victims as innocents which makes it a bit easier to stomach ( for me ) these clearly are innocents ..

Quite disturbing

I dont condone total war on Gaza, in the end is Israeli failure to prevent the rise of extremism in a piece of land they have been controlling since 1967.

There needs to be a denazification of extremism in Gaza and maybe in a generation it will be a better place.

But that would require political will

 

[Anewt]

I dont condone total war on Gaza, in the end is Israeli failure to prevent the rise of extremism in a piece of land they have been controlling since 1967.

There needs to be a denazification of extremism in Gaza and maybe in a generation it will be a better place.

But that would require political will

I think the actions Israel takes here will be what the future will be. More death and atrocities, will lead to more death and atrocities.

Obviously I want hamas to be whiped off the face of the earth. Honestly hamas doing this is a 2 birds with one stone situation imo. Fuck over Israel. Fuck over Palestinians. Keep the idealogical war going.

A heavy hand here ( which I can completely understand and even justify, to some extent ) will give hamas exactly what they want. As proven they don't give a shit about Israelis nor Palestinians.

But a heavy hand will only empower hamas..

Well imo

 

[Samjj]

Mate. You're not one to talk you literally said you saw videos of beheaded babies ..

I'm sorry but you are the literal definition of misinformation.

You cannot have a go at someone's sources when you openly lied. Which I still have no idea as to why you did that.

Yes I saw a picture of a mutilated and burned baby. I chose to interpret it as confirmation of the rumors of beheading. Your nit-picking of brutality between burning a child alive on a large scale vs. having evidence of one having its head cut off, or partially cut off demonstrates your own biases. You’re not close to being a “truth” seeker as you claim.
“40 children including infants were found in a mass grave, many of them burned alive.”
Vs.
“40 children including infants were found in a mass grave, many burned alive and some partially decapitated.”
And you cry libel for the second version!
GTFO

 

[DEVILsSON]

I dont condone total war on Gaza, in the end is Israeli failure to prevent the rise of extremism in a piece of land they have been controlling since 1967.

There needs to be a denazification of extremism in Gaza and maybe in a generation it will be a better place.

But that would require political will

That is an unfair characterization of who controls Gaza. We both know full well that Hamas has had almost complete and unfettered control over Gaza since 2005 when Israel pulled out completely and forcibly removed its own citizens from the area.

So to say Israel has been controlling the area since 1967 is untrue. Israel does control certain aspects surrounding the area for its own security but that's much different than to say Israel has control over Gaza.

 

[terrapin]

Yes I saw a picture of a mutilated and burned baby. I chose to interpret it as confirmation of the rumors of beheading. Your nit-picking of brutality between burning a child alive on a large scale vs. having evidence of one having its head cut off, or partially cut off demonstrates your own biases. You’re not close to being a “truth” seeker as you claim.

for an educated guy you seem to be unable to pull up any real wrongdoing of israel. i doubt that is due to stupidity on your part but instead a lack of will. we can all end up in hell because of this man.

 

[Samjj]

Nice try. Those pictures came out 2 days after..

And nobody is still claiming the 40 number.

Nice try tho

Nobody huh. hamas.ne t got you covered

 

[Samjj]

for an educated guy you seem to be unable to pull up any real wrongdoing of israel. i doubt that is due to stupidity on your part but instead a lack of will. we can all end up in hell because of this man.

If you want to talk about historic injustice against Palestinians, I am open to that discussion - I just don’t want to hear justification for what happened on Oct 7th.

 

[terrapin]

If you want to talk about historic injustice against Palestinians, I am open to that discussion - I just don’t want to hear justification for what happened on oct 7th.

why are you telling me that then? i have never justified it. but intelligent people have to consider context when looking for solutions dont they?

my main concern here is ww3 man. endless rape and death.

 

[Samjj]

why are you telling me that then? i have never justified it. but intelligent people have to consider context when looking for solutions dont they?

my main concern here is ww3 man. endless rape and death.

Then we principally are on the same page…

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I dont condone total war on Gaza, in the end is Israeli failure to prevent the rise of extremism in a piece of land they have been controlling since 1967.

There needs to be a denazification of extremism in Gaza and maybe in a generation it will be a better place.

But that would require political will

Israel didn't fail to stop Hamas from taking over, they encouraged it.

 

[Yehudim]

i've found the best phrase written about this hospital thing
i don't understand it, but it's beautiful

"Whether or not Israel attacked the hospital, and the experts and evidence are suggesting otherwise, though we don’t know for sure, the reality is that people in Gaza are still suffering from Israeli air strikes & a blockade, which plenty of *other experts* have called war crimes."

Mehdi Hasan fucking stinks

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Mehdi Hasan fucking stinks

I have no idea who this is, but solid "I am very smart" phrase

 

[Yehudim]

I think the actions Israel takes here will be what the future will be. More death and atrocities, will lead to more death and atrocities.

Obviously I want hamas to be whiped off the face of the earth. Honestly hamas doing this is a 2 birds with one stone situation imo. Fuck over Israel. Fuck over Palestinians. Keep the idealogical war going.

A heavy hand here ( which I can completely understand and even justify, to some extent ) will give hamas exactly what they want. As proven they don't give a shit about Israelis nor Palestinians.

But a heavy hand will only empower hamas..

Well imo

If you kill your enemies, they win.

 

[Anewt]

If you kill your enemies, they win.

If you kill people's neighbours and loved ones....

You'll never win.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

i think israel is the primary aggressor here.

Well, they're not. And the Palestinians' idiotic argument for why they are hostile - and barbaric - towards the Israelis quickly falls apart when you look at the history. The Hamas' useful idiots in the West who are now talking about what happened on October 7th and going "Well, I don't condone terrorism BUT Israel Israel" and try to blame this fucking barbarism on what big, evil Israel has done seem to think that these kinds of attacks is a new thing. When it's not.

From Wikipedia:

"in Hebron, Arab mobs attacked the Jewish quarter killing and raping men, women and children and looting Jewish property. They killed between 65 and 68 Jews[52][53] and wounded 58, with some of the victims being tortured, or mutilated" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

Sound familiar? And do you know when that particular attack happened? In 1929. I guess the reason for it was the current blockade of Gaza?

Seriously, to anyone who tries to explain the heinousness that keeps happening again and again with "but but Israel oppression oppression Netanyahu genocide persecution" and use the same old completely illogical excuses for what is simply good old fashioned Arab barbarism and a religion-based hatred of Jews that refuses to die and continues to cause absolutely insane suffering to this day: Fuck you. Seriously, get fucked. Go swim in a pool of piss.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

attacked by a pack pf ghouls

An all time low for humanity.

 

[dannialn]

Mate.... have you kept tabs on the Ukraine russia shit show? You're talking bombs landing in neighbouring nato nations that the media and Ukraine tried to pin on Russia to escalate the entire situation.

40 beheaded babies is also a heinous warcrime claim.... which directly added to the dehumanizing. Which probably encouraged the psychopath who stabbed a freaking 6 year old Palestinian the states.

Which in turn was the claimed reasoning behind the Belgium shooter.

This shit just doesn't just go one way mate.

Were any of those perpetuated by mass media as clear fact 2 Min after it happened? Because that is who my point was directed at.

And there were 40 babies murdered, so I don't see the point in mentioning that as an example for anything.

 

[MeatWagon06]

So it's okay to just take land by war?

Why is everyone crying over Ukraine then?

Look up the 6-day war. Israel was at war with 5 different Arab nations in 1967. Israel annexed the Gaza Strip (Egypt), West Bank/East Jerusalem (Jordan), Golan Heights (Syria) after they won the war.

No one would be complaining if Ukraine effectively pushed back the Russians and annexed say Belgorod, Russia.