Half Guard vs Knee Slide

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  1. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    Lately I've been trying to work on the different kind of half guards, especially deep half guard (see Aesopian’s Totally Awesome Journal if you don't know what I mean).

    But one of the major problems I have is the knee slide pass. The traditional way to do it is to get an underhook, but it can be very effective even without this.
    From any half guard positions, people will do the pass and let you come to your knees so that they can attack with a brabo or anaconda choke. Basically it takes you out of your half guard game, and forces you to play a defensive turtle game, or a wrestling game.

    Now I can see two solutions to this. Either A) not let them twist their knee out in the first place or B) take advantage of the fact that they don't have an underhook to grab a single leg or attack some other way.
    But none of these work out very well against someone who knows what he's doing.

    I also encounter the same problem when using the instep guard, or shin to shin guard. By the way, this is all for no-gi, as with the gi the friction makes it harder to just slide your knee out like this.
     
  2. MagicWand

    MagicWand Purple Belt

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    you could try messing around with a reverse de la riva, its a little tougher to use in no gi but there's still a decent game to play there.
     
  3. ARH

    ARH White Belt

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    Keep control of their foot as they slide through. So long as you have their foot, they can't base out and establish a proper control. From here it is easy to either put them back into guard, or come to your knees and finish with a single leg.
     
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    RogueStatus650 White Belt

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    i have trouble with half guard, i just started but i usually get swept and put in an arm bar, but im a bit stronger and bigger than the guys i spar with so i usually just get an underhook and drop my weight on them then i try and break the guard and pass the knees and get side control.
     
  5. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    I've just started messing around with DLR and reverse DLR. It seems like very powerful moves, but I can't control my oponent very well with this yet. But that's definitely something I want to add to my game.

    Grabbing the foot is a great idea, too. I think controling the foot can slow them down enough and preventing from turning and facing you, which makes it easier to take the back.

    Thanks for the ideas !
     
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    codemonkey76 Black Belt

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    if they get their knee out, my goto sweep from that position is a move i learnt from one of eddie bravo's books, i think his first book.

    You hook your top leg around their ankle and your bottom leg you bring to the outside of their knee driving their knee forward basically cranking their leg outwards, then you dive under and cup the opposite knee and take them over you, it's hard to explain, but works well from the 1/4 guard (half-guard with the knee out)
     
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    codemonkey76 Black Belt

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    another thing i will do sometimes is reach behind my legs and grab their pant leg to prevent them pulling their leg out of my half-guard... giving you time to regain the half-guard
     
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    irc Brown Belt

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    I like the way that sounds, but wouldn't it be easy for them to get side control at the moment you move your bottom leg from the inside to the outside? And when you say "driving" their knee forward, do you mean pulling it forward with you foot - having hooked the knee from the outside?
     
  9. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    You are going to have to wrestle. There's no two ways about it.

    If he stays "low," then you can sweep him by latching onto his whizzer grip, grabbing his pant, and rolling him over you. But as he defends that, or moves "high," you are going to need to transition into single leg/sitout territory.
     
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    Sub Dude Blue Belt

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    We were working a similar sweep the other night, except with the gi. Only real difference is we were trying to control the opposite gi lapel behind the back (similar to a brabo setup) on the side that they have the pummel (opposite of the side they are passing) if that makes sense. Seemed to be very effective.
     
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    Luther Green Belt

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    may you explain with more details?

    (I've Eddie's book, what page?)

    thanks in advance
     
  12. masada555

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    the simple answer is this:

    if you have his right leg trapped in your half guard, put your left forearm under his throat, put your right elbow on the ground behind you for base, and do a little technical stand-up -- but not all the way up, just to your knees. Then roll back to your butt and he'll be back in your full guard.

    I used to have problems with this pass too. Thanks Saulo.
     
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    the simple answer is this:

    if you have his right leg trapped in your half guard, put your left forearm under his throat, put your right elbow on the ground behind you for base, and get to your knees. Then roll back to your butt and he'll be back in your full guard.

    I used to have problems with this pass too. Thanks Saulo.
     
  14. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    Yeah, that seems like the obvious answer. Wrestling is definitely a huge part of no gi.
    At least I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one with this problem.
     
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    sorry dude, it's packed in a box (moving house soon) and i will get in shit with the missus if i start unloading them all, lol

    It is in his first book "Jiu-Jitsu Unleashed" i believe, and i think it is called twist back
     
  16. RubberRyan

    RubberRyan Blue Belt

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    if he's talking about what im thinking its probably the twist back sweep. I was watching a kenny florian no gi seminar video from isohunt and he goes over it also.


    It's basicly when your opponent is smashing your face and totally blocking your underhook that you curl back his leg thats in your half guard and then u C-cup behind theknee of the outside leg and roll the guy over .
     

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