Half guard question

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Tony Manifold, May 14, 2008.

  1. Tony Manifold

    Tony Manifold Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    2,773
    Likes Received:
    11
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    I have mentioned here and there that I have been concentrating on my half guard a great deal lately. Basically, I am using Eddie bravo's game based around the lock down. I can get the lock down and hold it pretty good, I can get double unders most of the time and if I can whip up to my side, I am starting to get old school, Electric chair, take the back or get to my knees for a drive through sweep. Those are coming along nicely. I have ran into a bit of a problem. Some times I get double underhooks but before I can get up on my hip, the guy will just lie across me an base his free leg back where I can't reach it for a sweep. He doesn't have the cross face but he has his weight on me in such away that I can't get up to my side. We end up just staying there because he can't pass my half guard and I can't whip up. Eventually, I would just give up and re-establish full guard but there has to be a half guard option there. I just can't think of it.
     
  2. codemonkey76

    codemonkey76 Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2006
    Messages:
    5,312
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    there is a bunch of options, but maybe not necessarily in eddie's book.

    if they are putting their weight into you you could go for "plan B", and then i they pull back to avoid it, then whip up on your side
     
  3. Tony Manifold

    Tony Manifold Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    2,773
    Likes Received:
    11
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    It doesn't have to been one of Eddie's moves. I just have based my game so far of his.
     
  4. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2004
    Messages:
    30,806
    Likes Received:
    7,944
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    In general, if they are just lying way back in your half guard, you should go to full guard. Some people are like this, they base down, sprawl back, and won't let you get under them. Best solution is to go back to guard, which is easy when they are so far back.
     
  5. MonkeyNuts!

    MonkeyNuts! Rear Naked Poker

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2007
    Messages:
    2,709
    Likes Received:
    69
    You can lift the lockdown and pushing up on his armpits to make space and then whip up.

    Or if you are completely flattened, try shrimping out a little and getting that hook in for half butterfly guard, then lift and move to butterfly.
     
  6. LordarshynBJJ

    LordarshynBJJ Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2006
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Akron, Ohio
    going back to guard is a good idea...

    Also, eddie bravos half guard game is pretty good, but try practicing some more basic stuff too. The lockdown is nice and all, but it can limit your mobility too. Hook sweeps are your friend.
     
  7. wildcard_seven

    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2004
    Messages:
    2,428
    Likes Received:
    1
    Alright, just curious what do people mean by hook sweeps? People use different lingo in different places....so, does that mean a simple elevator from closed, butterfly, half buttefly, any guard with a hook in?

    Or this?

    PSBJJ Club. Hook Sweep. - AOL Video
     
  8. LordarshynBJJ

    LordarshynBJJ Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2006
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Akron, Ohio
    it's like the video you posted, but from half guard.

    Get the underhook, shrimp out your hip to that side, control the arm, take your outside foot, hook under the knee, and sweep. Just make sure you keep tight and keep that inside leg and foot over their leg so they can't pass your guard.

    It's probably the most basic half guard sweet you can learn.
     
  9. wildcard_seven

    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2004
    Messages:
    2,428
    Likes Received:
    1
  10. Gsoares2***

    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    3,319
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    release the lock down.

    Double paw the arm so you dont get cross face and start scoot onto your side trying to get your head to his hips.
     
  11. Tony Manifold

    Tony Manifold Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2005
    Messages:
    2,773
    Likes Received:
    11
    Location:
    Victoria, BC
    His arms are both on the same side as the leg I have trapped. I am pretty close to his hips. He bases his leg back and get his hip low so I can't get under his leg for the sweep.

    It looks like coming back to guard was a good idea. One question about this hook sweep. If I have his right leg trapped in half guard, I am sweeping to his left?

    btw thanks for the ideas everyone.
     
  12. krait

    krait Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Messages:
    2,077
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Dallas
    Yes, A big key to this is to control his left arm. You can't let him gt his left arm posted out. That wil kill the sweep and he'll pass. If he starts to try to post his left leg thats fine. Just stay with it and keep elevating the hooked(right leg) and keep turning he'll go over. But You have to keep the arm of which ever side you sweeping to trapped. If it gets loose forget the sweep and just restablish the half or butterfly guard depending on how far out he got.
     
  13. Gsoares2***

    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    3,319
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Then you should read this thread

    http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/half-guard-when-opponent-faces-legs-774467/

    Aesopian and I as well as many other discuss sweeps and fixes for the halfguard pass your talking about.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.