Half Guard - From the bottom

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  1. JoeU1741

    JoeU1741 Yellow Belt

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    Anyone got any tips for sweeps or reversals from the bottom of a half guard. I seem to come across the half guard (top and bottom) a lot more than full guard. I've got a few moves to get through a half guard if you're on top, but don't have much from the bottom other than push the opp hips back to get your knee through. Any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. John O'Brien

    John O'Brien They call me Barnacle Bill.

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    I'm not a good half guard guy.. Look for Eddie Bravo's old school sweep and the kamakazi leglock from half guard. Both are on his twister DVD.
     
  3. jjmuaythaiguy

    jjmuaythaiguy Brown Belt

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    I am just learning half guard after trying to employ a closed guard without much success. I'm not really sure of your question but if you are on the bottom and have a half guard you want to know sweeps? I just learned one sweep/turnover or hip out escape getting the back of the opponent on top. I learned this from a Gracie Barra black belt, I'm barely a blue so forgive me if it does not come out correctly.

    When you are on the bottom and the opponent is passing the full guard, in whatever fashion, and you manage to stop his right leg from completing the pass. I was taught to figure four that caputured leg, and then use your right shin to trap or make contact with the opponent's right shin.

    At first they are going to go crazy trying to get your shin off of theirs, just follow their movements for a while always remembering to keep constant contact with their shin. When they realize that it is trapped and they are thinking of another way of escape you do this.

    Without releasing the shin or the figure four on the leg reach down, start getting your body under his until you are fairly deep under the opponent. Hip a little out to the left and with your right hand, grab the free leg. DO NOT RELEASE THAT LEG THAT IS TRAPPED! Move your body under the opponent's body.

    Now he will do one thing or the other. He will either try to escape to the left or to the right or pull his leg out. If you are below him you sweep to the side the he tries to escape to by hipping out to the opposite side and raising the untrapped leg with your right arm for a sweep. If he moves to your right preventing the sweep, let go of the free leg and hip out left and take his back, then finally release the half guard.

    Its really hard to do the first few times you do it and it really helps if someone is telling you what to do when you are doing it. But keep at it. I love this move and the more I use it the more I love it. I have used it with gi and no gi.

    I hope I made sense. Good Luck!
     
  4. Sherdog_Mutt

    Sherdog_Mutt Purple Belt

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    Basic half-guard concepts from the bottom:

    1) Always Always Always try and get the underhook on the same side as the opponent's trapped leg. If opponent has already gained this. Bump up to create space and snake your arm through... this control is important. There are sweeps you can do without it but they are generally more difficult to pull off.

    2) Always Always Always block and prevent opponent from controlling your head and neck. If opponent has already gained control of your head and flattened you out. Slowly climb your hand to your face and make a sweeping motion (like you're brushing back your hair) as you hip out. Once you've his control off your head/face, block his arm to prevent him from re-establishing it.

    3) Generally you should be lying on your side and not your back (much stronger position + more leverage for sweeps).


    The following series is the half-guard game that I play. I find that this series works well for me and my body type.

    1) Try to hip out and take the back (if you have properly established underhook on same side as trapped leg).

    2) If the guy blocks the attempt by putting his weight into you, you can now sweep him in the direction that he's leaning. Simply grab his free leg with the arm that's not underhooking him and bump and roll in that direction as you switch your underhooking arm to control his arm on that side (to prevent him from posting it).

    3) If the guy has established underhook control on you and you can't underhook him. I switch my half guard so that the outer leg keeps control of the trapped leg. This leg pulls the trapped leg so the guy is stretched out. I place my other leg between his legs for support. I grab his free leg with my other arm. I then bump when he's stretched out and roll him over. (very similar sweep to #2).

    4) If the guy blocks your attempt to take his back by posturing up or leaning back. I first try to transition to a basic butterfly guard sweep by taking the leg that's already in between his legs and placing it as a hook on his far leg. I then proceed to attempt a basic butterfly guard (hook) sweep and play the butterfly guard game.

    5) Alternatively, if the guy blocks your attempt to take his back by posturing up or leaning back. I may attempt to grab his free ankle (if it is close enough). I then hip out for leverage, plant my elbow on the ground for base, and sit up while pulling the foot towards me... thereby sweeping him (basically Eddie Bravo's old school sweep).

    6) If sweep # 5 fails, it is because his free leg is too far away. If this is the case then there is nothing blocking you from recovering full guard. As such, I usually transition to full guard if I fail to get #5.

    7) An alternative sweep that I like is to hip out, unhook my outer leg. Use my outer leg as a hook on his trapped leg (establishing quarter guard). I use my arm (that's not underhooking him) to grab his free leg at the knee. I then kick up with the hook, sit up, while pulling on his knee. It is important that you keep control of the trapped leg with your inner leg to prevent him from passing your half guard when you try this sweep. I find this sweep very effective on wrestlers who try to post their trapped leg up.


    That's basically the half-guard game that I play. I also attempt a kimura from time to time but basically I do what I've written above. Good luck and have fun playing half-guard.
     
  5. John O'Brien

    John O'Brien They call me Barnacle Bill.

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    Good post Mutt.
     
  6. guardpasser

    guardpasser Tudo Bem Bjj

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    the mutt is making it happen
     
  7. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    great work you mutt
     
  8. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

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    And that's about ALL eddie bravo has. I really wouldn't say Bravo is a good half guard guy. All he has ever demonstrated that he can do is just a few moves that he does over and over and over. That just means he is real good at a few moves.

    I have studied half guard INTENSELY for about two years now and I can tell you there is VOLUMES of things you can do from top and bottom. You would never believe how many.

    For sweeps the old school sweep is high percentage. I don't have a lot of time right now to type much longer. Maybe i'll come back to this thread later. There are some good instructional vids on the market. But mostly they use the gi which SUCKS because no gi is so different, most of the stuff doesn't really apply.
     
  9. VagabondMusashi

    VagabondMusashi Banned Banned

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    half guard is Nova Uniao
     
  10. VTJas81

    VTJas81 Blue Belt

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    This reversal works very very well for me and its SIMPLE. The simpler the better. I got this from Bas rutten's DVD. Lets say you half guard his right leg and your square with his body...

    if he lays on top and he slides his right arm underneath your neck(happens a lot) then.....

    1) trap his arm with your left arm
    2)trap his right leg with your left leg and use your right leg to bridge him over
     
  11. I-Shoji

    I-Shoji Green Belt

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    There's a bunch on Bas's big DVD's of combot. Most of the ones explained here so far and a few more.

    The dvd on escapes is pretty comprehensive since Bas winds up on his ass so much :p
     
  12. JKDmop

    JKDmop Blue Belt

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    Eddie Bravo is well known for his halfguard and it is highly respected among Machado
    Black Belts. Of course he uses the same moves over and over that is what good grapplers (and fighters) do.
     
  13. SKD

    SKD Blue Belt

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    Good points mutt, I was taught some of that once but seem to have forgotten it.

    If they lie on you, what I've found sometimes works for me is to trap their arm so they cannot post, straighten out their leg and roll to reverse it. Gotta time it right, but you can get a feel for it.

    Sounds very similar to what vtjas posted.
     
  14. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    Here are two submission/sweeps available from bottom half-guard:

    Kimura -- just like GSP attempted on Matt Hughes, but from bottom half-guard instead of bottom side control. When he rolls to avoid tapping to the kimura he gives you the sweep. Keep hold of the kimura to finish from the top. Works best against wrestlers (low, chest to chest half-guard rather than postured up)

    Keylock -- go for a keylock on his arm near your head. Probable sweep, low percentage of finishing keylock. Watch out that he doesn't keylock you during the attempt.
     
  15. NeelyWCU

    NeelyWCU Brown Belt

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    heres a sweep

    say you have his left leg trapped in your half guard (your right side)....your right hand underhooks his armpit and grabs his belt in the back...your left hand grabs his pant leg (on your left side...so his right leg) put your right foot inside as a hook on his trapped leg...but keep your left leg still up blocking him removing his leg/foot

    hip out to your right for leverage....now release your left hand grip and bring it up to your head trapping his right arm that should be around your head (basically you want to take away his ability to post it) and you should be able to use that hook to reverse that position

    hopefully that makes sense...it works, i made it happen tonite
     
  16. serima

    serima Green Belt

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    when you are in half guard, allways try to take the back and if it dosen't work... try old school
     
  17. Lester McGrath

    Lester McGrath Yellow Belt

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    Someone please explain how to do "old school". Thanks.
     
  18. Sherdog_Mutt

    Sherdog_Mutt Purple Belt

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    Read technique #5 on my previous post.

    Also, I just wanted to add that when I took my private with Gordo, he suggested that you not grab the ankle to do that sweep. Instead he advocates grabbing the foot around the area right before the toes. This way, the guy can't kick his foot free without spraining his own ankle.
     
  19. TheHighlander

    TheHighlander Green Belt

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    Yeah Mutt, grab the foot every time instead of the ankle. The leverage difference is amazing.
     
  20. Corey123

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    There's a few basic sweeps that you can learn for when someone is in your half guard. I like to set-up submissions from sweep attempts or try sweeps from submission attempts and there are some submissions/positions that you can get from the half-guard. I always try for a key-lock, guillotine, and knee-bars. And you could set-up a knee-bar attempt and transition into a sweep or go to the back of your opponent.

    Here's a move from half-guard: http://www.grapplearts.com/Half-Guard-Sweep-Series.htm
     

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