GSP vs SHIELDS

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Just rewatched. This isn't that long. Read it, you might agree. Btw, I don't have a dog in the fight.

Let's just acknowledge that Jake Shields has an incredibly ugly stand up game. Stiff, a lot of flailing, and over committing to kicks. However, he actually had an effective fight. Came up way short but did better than most.

Few things I noticed:
- GSP missed a lot of overhand rights, a ton. Winging, sloppy, telegraphed overhand rights.
- Shields had octagon control in RD.1 He might have even won Rd.1. Landed a lot of jabs and made GSP miss.
- GSP landed some overhand rights but the few merely knocked Shields off balance because he's too upright or off balance. They had little to no effect on him because Jake's reflexes are pretty good and he rolled with the punches.
- Jake's jab was WAY more effective then GSP's. Not Kidding. GSP should have avoided more.
- Jake landed a whole lot of body kicks. They weren't pretty but he was landing.
- GSP landed better kicks and rocked Shields once. This is the only time I think Shields was rocked. The other times he was hit or kicked he looked off balance and awkward. He never needed time to recover.
- GSP took a lot more damage. But Jake may just have tougher skin. Hard to tell because like I mentioned he actually avoided absorbing full power punches by either blocking with his flailing arms or rolling with punches.
- GSP's eye was hurt due to at least 2 or possibly 3 punches to his right eye. That eye poke was blown out proportion. In fact any poke that did happen may never did much damage at all. It was never even mentioned during the fight and there were several replays where Jake jabbed him straight in the eye.
- Rogan was crazy biased towards GSP. Never said much about Shield's jabs until the last two rounds when GSP's face was already busted up. He also never mentioned the few body kicks Shield surprising landed.
- GSP was much stronger than Shield's and could have negated much of Shield's attacks on the ground. GSP is just too strong and Shield's isn't as fast/explosive.
- Cardio wise, both fighters were barely tired. Jake may have even had the better cardio. I think Jake poured on the jabs at the end more because GSP was slowing down, not because of GSP eye. Sure it affected him but GSP was getting tired.
- GSP was not completely blind in his left eye. He never needed follow up surgery and time off. He was fine after the fight.
- Jake takedown attempts were horrible. Didn't get one takedown. Not even close.
- GSP tossed Jake down to the ground like it was nothing.

Very interesting fight but although Jake looked like an amateur, stylistically, he actually fought very effectively against someone like GSP, who was said to have the best striking at the time. Something I never agreed with but whatever. He did better than everyone else that fought GSP during that time in his career.

I urge you to rewatch it. It's interesting to watch years later after the sport has evolved and we have fresh eyes. I'm not knocking GSP or Shield's. I just remember a whole lot of excuses and a lot of biased opinions. It was much closer than most GSP fights leading up to Condit and Hendriks, with the exception of that one Serra fight.
 
I remember thinking it was a close fight. A lot closer than the commentators thought.
 
only the last 2 rounds were sort of close, and only because of Shield's dirty tactics and eyepokes rendered GSP half blind and not able to judge distance.
 
only the last 2 rounds were sort of close, and only because of Shield's dirty tactics and eyepokes rendered GSP half blind and not able to judge distance.
Nah. Rewatch it. The first round was the closest. Shield's landed more punches in the last two but GSP was taking him down and landing kicks. There were no dirty tactics. Zero. Those were just excuses. Actually rewatch it. The only close round was the 1st, imo. GSP still soundly beat him.
 
"GSP vs Shield from a Gracie fanboy / GSP hater (or both!) 's point of view: the MEGATHREAD"

Seriously, you were not doing that much of a bad job until the
- GSP was not completely blind in his left eye. He never needed follow up surgery and time off. He was fine after the fight.
"- GSP was not completely blind in his left eye. He never needed follow up surgery and time off. He was fine after the fight."

at the end of the list. Could have also laid off the "wow GSP was so much stronger... GSP was definitely way stronger than Jake.... damn how can a WW be so strong wow".

And what's up with that
he actually fought very effectively against someone like GSP, who was said to have the best striking at the time. Something I never agreed with but whatever
Whatever indeed, since it's something that has never been claimed.
 
Didn't read but that fight was boring as hell.
IIRC Machida did the Karate Kid on Couture earlier in the night.
 
^ I have seen it claimed that GSP had the best striking at WW. Not something I agreed with either, he was up there but his TD threat played a big factor in him outstriking some strikers.
 
Boring fight, boring thread, wouldn't watch or read again.
 
I love gsp but that fight was so boring. It's the only gsp fight i won't rewatch
 
Very interesting fight but although Jake looked like an amateur, stylistically, he actually fought very effectively against someone like GSP, who was said to have the best striking at the time. Something I never agreed with but whatever. He did better than everyone else that fought GSP during that time in his career.

I urge you to rewatch it. It's interesting to watch years later after the sport has evolved and we have fresh eyes. I'm not knocking GSP or Shield's. I just remember a whole lot of excuses and a lot of biased opinions. It was much closer than most GSP fights leading up to Condit and Hendriks, with the exception of that one Serra fight.

Jake did reasonably okay and, like you say, better than most, which is all the more impressive considering that he never managed to get GSP to the mat and bring the fight into his world.

But the real nuance that no one seems to note about that fight is that it wasn't the fight that should have happened. Jake Shields came over from Strikeforce immediately after defending his MW belt against Hendo.

The Anderson fight was the one that made sense, and was also the one that Jake, specifically, had the better chance to win considering his strengths and weaknesses. There was no way Jake was ever getting GSP to the ground, which was his only chance to win (and against GSP, even then it wouldn't have been anywhere near a sure bet). Silva was a different story... and being on your back against Jake Shields is not being on your back against Chael Sonnen.
 
GSP had zero interest in going to the ground with Jake in that fight. Jake knew it. GSP built up Jake's Guillotine choke huge and I think was actually afraid of it. FZ spoke about it at length. GSP's strength in striking is really effective because of the threat of the take down. and the take down is really effective because of the striking. Take one of those elements away like knowing he doesn't want to go to the ground with you and it changes the dynamic.

Jakes eye pokes were far worse than what you were describing. The cut on the nose and eye were a direct result of those.
 
Shields was the best overall grappler GSP had ever fought, so logically he's going to be much more tentative when throwing strikes. Especially for a guy like GSP whose entire striking game is opened up via the threat of the takedown.

Makes for a slow fight.
 
"GSP vs Shield from a Gracie fanboy / GSP hater (or both!) 's point of view: the MEGATHREAD"

Seriously, you were not doing that much of a bad job until the
- GSP was not completely blind in his left eye. He never needed follow up surgery and time off. He was fine after the fight.
"- GSP was not completely blind in his left eye. He never needed follow up surgery and time off. He was fine after the fight."

at the end of the list. Could have also laid off the "wow GSP was so much stronger... GSP was definitely way stronger than Jake.... damn how can a WW be so strong wow".

And what's up with that

Whatever indeed, since it's something that has never been claimed.

HaHa. Like I said, I didn't have a dog in the fight. GSP being so much stronger is a compliment to GSP. It is no way an excuse for Shields. Shields should have trained to get stronger before the fight. Jake is strong himself but GSP walked all over him.

Half of Sherdog was claiming GSP was the best striker in the game, especially after he lit up Koscheck. I never understood it.

As far as the eye poke, I never saw it during the fight. They did however show plenty of replays showing Shield's punching him directly in that eye. There is no proof that it was a finger or his glove that hit him multiple times during the fight. You can't prove it one way or another what really did the damage. If he had a scratched cornea then it could have been the edge of the glove for all we know. I thought I was going to see replays of an eye poke as we got closer to the end and there was nothing.
 
I was more surprised in the judges giving Shields 2 rounds.
GSP won every single round.
GSP was the one controlling and pressing the action.
Shields hit him with the weakest shots,those baby like taps was the reason GSP didn't mind getting tagged so many times by him,and why he managed to accumulate so many useless strikes.
His best offence was when he was scratching and poking GSP's eyes.




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GSP had zero interest in going to the ground with Jake in that fight. Jake knew it. GSP built up Jake's Guillotine choke huge and I think was actually afraid of it. FZ spoke about it at length. GSP's strength in striking is really effective because of the threat of the take down. and the take down is really effective because of the striking. Take one of those elements away like knowing he doesn't want to go to the ground with you and it changes the dynamic.

Jakes eye pokes were far worse than what you were describing. The cut on the nose and eye were a direct result of those.
I pretty much agree with this
 
Shields had the Hawaiian kempo eye poke dialed in for that fight
 
I was more surprised in the judges giving Shields 2 rounds.
GSP won every single round.
GSP was the one controlling and pressing the action.
Shields hit him with the weakest shots,those baby like taps was the reason GSP didn't mind getting tagged so many times by him,and why he managed to accumulate so many useless strikes.
His best offence was when he was scratching and poking GSP's eyes.




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GSP was also really trying to finish the fight after all the criticism. This is why you saw him winging so many overhand rights.
 
I would watch but I have to work and I don't wanna fall asleep
 
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