GSP HGH gut?

[AnotherOldGuy]

bs look at sage and hes never failed even under usada. some people are just genetic freaks.

these were strongmen before steroids even existed.

You're forgetting they had time machines back then. They simply went to the future, picked up some synthetic steroids, went back and started using. Its very obvious from the pictures.

You're also forgetting that everyone has the same bone structure, so there is only one natural weight that anyone 5'10" can be. Anyone heavier than that specific weight is using steroids, anyone lighter than that is anorexic.

And never compare actual physiological studies with bro'science. Anyone who actually lifts knows far more about medicine than the specialists at the Mayo Clinic. If some so called experts tell you there are over a dozen things that can cause an extended stomach you can ignore them; anyone who lifts knows that the only thing that causes extended stomach is HGH or insulin.

The funny thing is I have no idea whether GSP uses or not; I wouldn't be surprised either way. But to hear people think they can tell by a picture is just silly beyond words - anyone who can do that is wasting their time on Sherdog, because their methodology will earn them tens of millions every year by replacing expensive and inconvenient blood tests with their picture analysis method. Again, there's a reason not a single sporting body in the world uses visual inspection - it fails miserably, giving both false positives and false negatives.

 

[MMAPurity]

cheaters suck.. especially in a sport where your trying to kill someone and find out who is the better man.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

I haven't seen that kind of distension on a healthy person. You could be right, it looks really odd

It only looks like that during times of exertion. That alone makes HGH guy impossible.

 

[Vil7]

I think we need the expert opinion of Joe Rogan.

 

[Cooliox]

In denial of what? I've been here since 2009 and I've been saying the same thing again and again. GSP is better than BJ. By a longshot and some. If you start your post by saying that and then sing a long song about BJ's legend, I will listen and most likely agree. If you place BJ above GSP, I have to call denial on you!

There was a time where BJ was the undeniable best. That time went by like a burning match: intense, bright but short. Once it was burned out, it left a strong stench that lasted for twice the length of the flame itself, just like a match.

The match is BJ from 2003 to 2006: no rival. He even beat Matt Hughes by sub during that time! Unfortunately, that win went straight to his head because the strong stench begins there. Now, BJ had good wins during that time, he did not "start sucking" overnight. But he was legitimized when he beat Hughes and it would seem he didn't feel the need to prove it further. His entire myth is based on that win.

The only "Legend" he beat after Hughes is, well: Hughes. Unless you consider Pulver and Sherk "legends of the sport" of the magnitude of GSP's hit list of legends. Just a win like Shields: compare that to a win against Pulver or Sherk. Look at their 3 records and think "who would look better on my resumé?"

When I say "look better", I don't mean aesthetically of course:

Catch my drift or am I still denying anything? Let me ask you: if you consider that BJ is still good today in 2017, who's in denial here buddy?

good post.

Sherk is a legend though, no doubt about that... We started to give him shit because he lost to some kid named Frankie Edgar... we said he was finished, he couldn't hang without the juice... then we also saw what Frankie went on to achieve.

Shark's other losses came against Hughes, Penn, and GSP. He beat everyone else in his career, which is outstanding. Hall of famer without a doubt, and a sure lock for top10 all-time

 

[Wariowokecancel]

First off i think GSP is top 3 all time. I just want to know what you guys think of his supposed HGH gut.

HGH gut or no?

Let's see your gut over 30

 

[listrahtes]

Sage is a genetic freak, yet GSP is shorter and heavier than him. Also these guys were bodybuilders who didn't have to do tons of MMA training and cardio which impairs your recovery and muscle building abilities

They were not bodybuilders in todays sense. They had a crazy tough training regime and were more like early strong men with sometimes nearly unbelievable strenght feats. It was all about functional strenght.

Many of them worked jobs at steel production etc that were pretty intense cardio training

 

[keyboard fights]

Is this tread from 2009? I can't believe the morons are still using pictures claiming HGH gut because he is exhaling but his HGH gut magically disappears when he isn't caught in a bad picture. How much of an idiot do you have to be posting picture like this claiming to be the truth....oh wait this is sherdog.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Is this tread from 2009? I can't believe the morons are still using pictures claiming HGH gut because he is exhaling but his HGH gut magically disappears when he isn't caught in a bad picture. How much of an idiot do you have to be posting picture like this claiming to be the truth....oh wait this is sherdog.

Sadly a lot of people seem to want to always discredit legends, always some negative stuff they come up with. It's sad and pathetic. GSP is one of the best fighters ever and actually used to defend his belt against the number 1 contenders always!, unlike the champs nowadays. legend. And like you say the pic of his gut, in another gif or pic from the exact same fight his stomach looks flat, its just the angle and movement at that split-second.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Maybe it's just gas?

It's air from breathing so you're close.

 

[Metal_Daze]

good post.

Sherk is a legend though, no doubt about that... We started to give him shit because he lost to some kid named Frankie Edgar... we said he was finished, he couldn't hang without the juice... then we also saw what Frankie went on to achieve.

Shark's other losses came against Hughes, Penn, and GSP. He beat everyone else in his career, which is outstanding. Hall of famer without a doubt, and a sure lock for top10 all-time

Yes. I admit that I might have jumped the gun by not including Sherk. Remember that I was trying to make a comparison with people GSP beat and Sherk is on GSP's list too.

I would never argue about Sherk's legendary status. For two reasons: first, it is deserved. Second, if he's a legend, that adds another legendary finish for GSP after BJ and Hughes (twice). Find another fighter who has finishes against 3 unquestionable legends.

Shogun? Jon Jones? Nick Diaz? <45>

 

[Cooliox]

Yes. I admit that I might have jumped the gun by not including Sherk. Remember that I was trying to make a comparison with people GSP beat and Sherk is on GSP's list too.

I would never argue about Sherk's legendary status. For two reasons: first, it is deserved. Second, if he's a legend, that adds another legendary finish for GSP after BJ and Hughes (twice). Find another fighter who has finishes against 3 unquestionable legends.

Shogun? Jon Jones? Nick Diaz? <45>

Yea you compared beating Sherk to beating Shields... fair comparison imo, and honestly, I would even rank beating Shields as higher as I rank Shields as a top-5 all time when Sherk is top-10 all time. Don't forget, Shields was a MW champion, albeit in a 'b promotion' as people may put it, but he does have a win over TRT Hendo... and 46 year old USADA Hendo could easily have been given the nod for the UFC MW Title.
Hell, out of the current top5 in the UFC WW division (including the champ), Shields has fought 4 of them, and beat all 4 of them.


PS you forgot to mention that GSP beat Sherk, Penn, and Hughes within ONE year- en route to capturing the WW Title.

 

[AC1D1K]

whatever is causing that (its disgusting btw) cannot be natural

 

[aus101]

They were not bodybuilders in todays sense. They had a crazy tough training regime and were more like early strong men with sometimes nearly unbelievable strenght feats. It was all about functional strenght.

Many of them worked jobs at steel production etc that were pretty intense cardio training

Yeah saying 19th and early 20th century strongmen "are just bodybuilders who only had to eat and lift all day" is hilarious. This is the 19th goddamn century. Unless you were nobility you were hustling 25:8. Can't compare modern sedentary activity levels (trains, planes and cars/escalators) to those times. Walking many miles a day was just part of day to day getting around/living, for example.

 

[Metal_Daze]

Yea you compared beating Sherk to beating Shields... fair comparison imo, and honestly, I would even rank beating Shields as higher as I rank Shields as a top-5 all time when Sherk is top-10 all time. Don't forget, Shields was a MW champion, albeit in a 'b promotion' as people may put it, but he does have a win over TRT Hendo... and 46 year old USADA Hendo could easily have been given the nod for the UFC MW Title.
Hell, out of the current top5 in the UFC WW division (including the champ), Shields has fought 4 of them, and beat all 4 of them.


PS you forgot to mention that GSP beat Sherk, Penn, and Hughes within ONE year- en route to capturing the WW Title.

No need to help me make my case! Thank you anyways, your post is pretty much entirely true. I rank Sherk highly but his win list is not as impressive as Shields (imo). I don't like to mess with numbers, they confuse me: so I just rank people over others and don't really keep count.

My rankings are only valid in my head and they always end with GSP on top... When he's active! I will not rank him over Conor until he comes back and at least entertain a GOAT vs GOAT monster ppv.

 

[Danespina]

That + all the drama regarding testing before Hendricks fight where his team pretty much refused the test n wanted to know in advance what substances are gonna be tested

Definitely shady

GSP went thru additional testing for that fight despite it being completely unnessesary.

 

[aus101]

You are 100% right, people who disagree obviously don't even lift.

5'10 190 lbs at 10% is hardly achievable natty on a bodybuilding specific routine, if you factor in that GSP could maintain this body while doing heavy MMA training and tons of cardio you have your answer.

For the average joe sure, but genetic freaks should be able to attain that size.

Grimek here in 1948 at 5'8.5 (max) 195 pounds, not too far off 10 percent bf (max 12). Scale up that frame to 5'10 and you have your 5'10 190 at 10 percent. (Reeves is 6'1, 215 at around 10 percent).

Now imagine if Ronnie had stayed natural. This is he at his first contest. While he was undoubtedly using at the time he had been bodybuilding style training for at most a year, weighing at least 218 sub 9 percent bf at 5'10. Natural I'm sure he would of stood at least 190 10 percent bf.

 

[Cooliox]

No need to help me make my case! Thank you anyways, your post is pretty much entirely true. I rank Sherk highly but his win list is not as impressive as Shields (imo). I don't like to mess with numbers, they confuse me: so I just rank people over others and don't really keep count.

My rankings are only valid in my head and they always end with GSP on top... When he's active! I will not rank him over Conor until he comes back and at least entertain a GOAT vs GOAT monster ppv.

You're welcome... but FU or whatever...

cause the issue here is that the UFC doesn't believe that GSP is any longer a draw, let alone half of a "monster ppv". George said that the UFC wouldn't even pay him as much as he way making before the Reebok deal, because they said it would cost them millions to reintroduce GSP to the market, new market...

GSP isn't fighting because of the suits, most likely that Dana is still holding a big grudge against GSP for speaking up about steroids and PEDs in the UFC, even after he retire. Dana said something like "GSP is angry at us, he should pick up the phone and call and talk to me". Then when GSP kept pushing the issue, Dana was like "he said he was going away, but ends up doing more interviews than ever". lol...

then of course after Anderson Silva popped, basically proving GSP's point, they were cornered into having to drop about 10-20 million extra a year for drug testing, when Dana himself first stated when the issue was brought up that no way were they going to test everyone since each test costed about 40k... a number which Chael later confrimed.

 

[Metal_Daze]

You're welcome... but FU or whatever...

cause the issue here is that the UFC doesn't believe that GSP is any longer a draw, let alone half of a "monster ppv". George said that the UFC wouldn't even pay him as much as he way making before the Reebok deal, because they said it would cost them millions to reintroduce GSP to the market, new market...

GSP isn't fighting because of the suits, most likely that Dana is still holding a big grudge against GSP for speaking up about steroids and PEDs in the UFC, even after he retire. Dana said something like "GSP is angry at us, he should pick up the phone and call and talk to me". Then when GSP kept pushing the issue, Dana was like "he said he was going away, but ends up doing more interviews than ever". lol...

then of course after Anderson Silva popped, basically proving GSP's point, they were cornered into having to drop about 10-20 million extra a year for drug testing, when Dana himself first stated when the issue was brought up that no way were they going to test everyone since each test costed about 40k... a number which Chael later confrimed.

Once again, you hit the nail. I extracted some information from one Rodolfe Beaulieu last December. I met him at my training center and I asked him about the "Reebok vs UA" cunnundrum. He didn't say much but this struck me. The problem is not with the money. It's with loyalty.

GSP has been a Under Armour athlete for years and he's very loyal. He works in close relation with their PR team and they always give him a big spot in their ads and promos. He can't stay there if the UFC takes him back under Reebok's dominion. He's only asking that if he's going to move to Reebok, he wants to receive the same treatment. It appears Reebok and UFC are not ready to offer him that: they prefer to offer him a lump sum and GSP doesn't need a cash bribe.

He's not gonna leave UA for a Reebok check! He wants an exclusivity deal like all big stars: Conor, Ronda and other big names all have exclusive Reebok deals. They become "Reebok athletes" with their "special gear" and special promos. GSP wants a part of that, not a bigger check to compensate not getting that!

He's losing that if he leaves UA.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

then of course after Anderson Silva popped, basically proving GSP's point, they were cornered into having to drop about 10-20 million extra a year for drug testing, when Dana himself first stated when the issue was brought up that no way were they going to test everyone since each test costed about 40k... a number which Chael later confrimed.

They could save that 40k per test simply by posting pictures of the fighters and their stats on Sherdog; there are people on here who claim they can tell if someone's using PED's simply by looking at pictures and stats.