Greek right wing party found guilty of murdering left wing musician, running crime networ

[goldennirvana]

By members of their ranks, we're talking actual MPs.

Labour and Conservative MPs in the UK have been found to have made some incredibly offensive and supportive comments for very nasty people, but they're not seen as representative of their respective parties.

 

[Denter]

I believe he thought the Nazis would be easier to deal with it in the long run because they would have no support from the West. It kind of worked out. Nazi Germany fell to the USSR, half of it anyway, and Western Germany propped up by American money defeated communism in the east.

I think that's half the story, but an important half. It doesn't explain why the USSR began mass mobilization the day they signed the non-aggression pact, the reason why they trained the german tankers and air force in their territory before the war, why they shipped them oil and vital manufacturing materials, why they formed entire airborne corps, why they were moving twenty-six (26!) army groups to their western border in 1941, why they were dismantling their prepared defenses beginning in 1939, etc.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Labour and Conservative MPs in the UK have been found to have made some incredibly offensive and supportive comments for very nasty people, but they're not seen as representative of their respective parties.

They've not been in anti-Semite bands or posed in Nazi uniforms and if there are any major scandals then it has a big impact on their political career.

It's hardly the same.

 

[goldennirvana]

They've not been in anti-Semite bands or posed in Nazi uniforms and if there are any major scandals then it has a big impact on their political career.

It's hardly the same.

Not really. Ken Livingstone's career went on as normal.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Not really. Ken Livingstone's career went on as normal.

He got suspended and quit the party.

 

[goldennirvana]

He got suspended and quit the party.

I'm talking about years before that.

 

[Wet Blanket]

It depends on the country but Golden Dawn is on the margins. They claim to not be real nazis because they aren't german but greek nationalists. However their imagery and literature is nazi, they sell Mein Kampf and nazi paraphernalia. Their members of parliament openly claim Hitler was a great guy.
It's complex, some people will say they are traitors because the Nazis attacked Greece but others will say they don't support Hitler in itself but his ideas, and Mussolini's, translated to a Greek context. Not unlike, say, Chinese communists adapting Soviet Communism despite the two being enemies after the 60s or even China adopting much of rival American capitalist system. For what it's worth, they do not claim to be the "real Aryans", "actual Germans", or other delusional stuff you see from some neonazis.


In the end, the problem is that they broke actual laws. Not just these political laws against National Socialism, but they murdered some opponents.

Looks like a Greek proud boys shirt.

 

[Losfer Words]

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm talking about years before that.

Well they've clearly moved on from it now, but yes it should have been dealt with better at the time and yes it should have hurt labour.

However you're comparing one guy saying stuff a long time ago who when he brought it up in modern times got shut down for it to a group which seem happy for them to say this kind of stuff all the time.

 

[goldennirvana]

Well they've clearly moved on from it now, but yes it should have been dealt with better at the time and yes it should have hurt labour.

However you're comparing one guy saying stuff a long time ago who when he brought it up in modern times got shut down for it to a group which seem happy for them to say this kind of stuff all the time.

I seem to remember Livingstone invited some member of Hamas or Hezbollah to London to give a speech, a man who had made comments about killing Jews and homosexuals. I may be remembering that wrong, but it was definitely someone in the Labour party who's openly pro-Palestine.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I seem to remember Livingstone invited some member of Hamas or Hezbollah to London to give a speech, a man who had made comments about killing Jews and homosexuals. I may be remembering that wrong, but it was definitely someone in the Labour party who's openly pro-Palestine.

I don't think being pro-Palestine equates to being anti-Semitic tbh. You could certainly get people who are pro Palestine who are also anti-Semites but plenty of people just disagree with the whole way it's handled/been set up etc.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I mean kinda. Between Stalin and WWII the USSR never really recovered. It just coated for a decade on the stuff it looted from Eastern Europe and northern China. By the 1970s the USSR was already in economic stagnation. Their Afghanistan war was close and smaller. While Vietnam was much larger and further away. Yet the US got through it and theirs wrecked their economy

The thing about communism is that there is not much incentive to work hard, except, when you have Stalin because he will kill you if you don't.
He basically achieved everything he wanted, though, got rid of Trotsky, industrialized the USSR, won WW2, developed nuclear weapons beating all American expectations, put the first satellite on orbit and the first man on space.
After him all the Soviet leaders sucked badly and were pussies and lost everything.
For example, Stalin knew the danger of Islamists and deported all the Chechens to Siberia. But then they were allowed back in 61' because Khrushchev had a soft heart.
What happened? Insurgency, terrorism, Chechnya trying to leave Russia.
So, I do think they recovered just fine from WW2, except in terms of lost lives, but they never recovered from the death of Stalin.

 

[ElKarlo]

The thing about communism is that there is not much incentive to work hard, except, when you have Stalin because he will kill you if you don't.
He basically achieved everything he wanted, though, got rid of Trotsky, industrialized the USSR, won WW2, developed nuclear weapons beating all American expectations, put the first satellite on orbit and the first man on space.
After him all the Soviet leaders sucked badly and were pussies and lost everything.
For example, Stalin knew the danger of Islamists and deported all the Chechens to Siberia. But then they were allowed back in 61' because Khrushchev had a soft heart.
What happened? Insurgency, terrorism, Chechnya trying to leave Russia.
So, I do think they recovered just fine from WW2, except in terms of lost lives, but they never recovered from the death of Stalin.

Agreed with the last part. With Stalin everyone just lied about numbers and stole what they needed to make the quota. Hence staring the ukarianin dangers to death.

 

[funcrusher2007]

They almost took over the world.

You're an ignoramus.

Almost....they where winning till they weren’t right?

 

[SATW]

Neo-Nazi leaders of Greece's Golden Dawn sentenced to 13 years
Leaders of violent far-right group, including former MPs, shown little leniency by judges

Presiding judge Maria Lepenioti, left, announces the sentences during the trial of leaders and members of the Golden Dawn far-right party. Photograph: Alkis Konstantinidis/Reuters

The neo-Nazi leaders of Golden Dawn have each been sentenced to 13 years in prison by a court in Athens, at the end of a historic hearing.

The neo-fascist group was officially laid to rest as its disgraced former MPs were shown little mercy by a three-member panel of judges. Last week the court ruled that Golden Dawn lawmakers had operated a criminal organisation under the guise of being a democratically elected party.



A public prosecutor proposed lengthy prison terms for 57 defendants convicted of murder, assault, weapons possession and either running or participating in the criminal outfit, and on Wednesday a total of more than 500 years behind bars was handed down by the tribunal.

The court, which almost unanimously dismissed pleas for leniency, went into recess following the announcement to deliberate on whether the sentences would be suspended pending appeal.

Defence lawyers had argued during the marathon legal proceedings for sentences to be reduced, citing their clients’ good behaviour, honourable family lives and even love of animals. Under Greece’s revised penal code, the maximum prison sentence for the crime of heading a criminal gang is 15 years.

Thanasis Kampagiannis, a lawyer who represented four Egyptian fishermen brutally attacked by Golden Dawn supporters, said it was “critical for the vindication of the victims” and how the trial would ultimately be assessed that the sentences should not be suspended.

The prospect of the convicted neo-Nazis walking free until a higher court heard the case again would trigger an explosive reaction, anti-fascist activists predicted.

Golden Dawn’s founder, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, 62, is facing 13 and a half years in prison, the price for not only masterminding the organisation’s criminal activities as its self-appointed führer but turning what was once a fringe Nazi movement into a political force whose modus operandi was the eradication of enemies by hit squads.

His extremist views were formed during Greece’s 1967-74 Colonels’ regime. He was handed an extra six-month jail term for illegal arms possession.

Ioannis Lagos, an MEP and one-time close confidante of Michaloliakos, received a prison term of 13 years and eight months, requiring Greek judicial authorities to request that his political immunity is lifted.

From its inception in the early 1980s through to 2012 when, riding a wave of economic anger and despair, it began its seven-year stint in parliament, the far right group targeted leftists, anti-nationalist “traitors”, communist trade unionists, members of the LGBTQ community, migrants and refugees.

The admission of a senior party operative, Giorgos Roupakias, that he had fatally stabbed Pavlos Fyssas, a popular anti-fascist hip-hop artist, triggered the party’s fall with the then conservative-led government, finally setting the wheels of Greek justice in motion.

Roupakias was the only gang member to be given a life sentence on Wednesday. He had claimed feelings of contrition for the murder of the 34-year-old Fyssas. The slain singer’s father, attending the hearing with Fyssas’s mother, Magda, expressed disappointment at the other sentences, telling reporters: “They are too light. I am not satisfied. I had hoped they would get 20 years.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/greece-golden-dawn-neo-nazi-prison-sentences
https://thewire.in/world/greeces-nazi-golden-dawn-has-finally-been-ruled-a-criminal-organisation

 

[thehighking]

What are your 10 favorite Hitler ideas?

To be fair to Hitler the Treaty of Versailles was unfair to Germany. Making them pay for other empire's war efforts. It was obviously going to create resentment and a rise in nationalism in Germany. Hitler believed the Jews were trying to achieve world domination, he was partially correct about this but he made the despicable and horrible act of blaming all Jews for the actions of the elites who ran world banks. Those were the lobbyists that pushed for war. Hitler was a great nationalistic leader for Germany, at least until their decline in WWII. That doesn't mean he was a good person, and the same can be said about Winston Churchill for Britain. We must remember that history is written by the winners and awful acts are committed by all parties in wartime. None of them should be forgiven but the reality is that history books are written by the winners. Those who have the power to write history can create the story. This is propaganda 101 and it still happens to this day.