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No Steve Yzerman or Sergei Federov
Or Lidstrom
No Steve Yzerman or Sergei Federov
Having cancer and a screwed up back taking years away form his prime certainly didn't help. Gretzky is slightly above him in terms of PPG but Super Mario was a more physical threat. It's apples an oranges as far as I'm concerned. As good as the Pens teams in the late 80's to early 90's ere those Oilers teams were probably the GOAT teams in modern history. Would've been interesting if they switched teams. Both guys were winners so not much would change there but I could see a healthy Mario putting up the numbers Wayne did with those Oilers teams.Gretzky is a little ahead on PPG, but the gap between them and #3 is huuuge. As a Penguins fan I have always had to hold that Lemieux was the better player as a pure talent, physical and technically brilliant, but Gretzky was a mastermind. He understood hockey and other players like I doubt anyone ever will again. Gretzky-Lemieux-Orr is the Holy Trinity of hockey, then you have niche GOATs like goal-scorer Bossy, the legends like Maurice Richard or Beliveau, and I think the next generation is the "highlight GOATs" like Ovie, Crosby, Datsyuk, etc.
Man, I love hockey.
@Rawex is an idiot and a professional troll, don't listen to him.Wtf ?
Hes never won the cup.
He doesn't make those around him any better.
If you think Ovie is GOAT your either Russian or know absolutely nothing about hockey.
Hes a GREAT goal scorer. Thats it.
Hungover? Didnt think it takes this long for you to reply itt
If you are hungover why are you up? I just got off work an hour ago and barely saw this thread now.Hungover? Didnt think it takes this long for you to reply itt
Based on what ive seen i agree on the idiot part but disagree on the professional part.
Thats worst than amateur night at the Apollo levels of trolling.
If you think i was serious with that post, then you are the idiot.Based on what ive seen i agree on the idiot part but disagree on the professional part.
Thats worst than amateur night at the Apollo levels of trolling.
The "if healthy" and "if they switched teams" are both interesting hypotheses. Though being sick and coming back are part of the Lemieux legend, I think if he stays healthy and maybe gets a little more help he smashes 2k points and keeps going up into the 2500+s. I mean, Gretzky had Kurri and Messier his entire time in Edmonton, though of course they had him too. Mario deserved better, he was the guy who really got me into hockey as a kid and saved my favourite franchise a couple times over.Having cancer and a screwed up back taking years away form his prime certainly didn't help. Gretzky is slightly above him in terms of PPG but Super Mario was a more physical threat. It's apples an oranges as far as I'm concerned. As good as the Pens teams in the late 80's to early 90's ere those Oilers teams were probably the GOAT teams in modern history. Would've been interesting if they switched teams. Both guys were winners so not much would change there but I could see a healthy Mario putting up the numbers Wayne did with those Oilers teams.
Gretzky is a little ahead on PPG, but the gap between them and #3 is huuuge. As a Penguins fan I have always had to hold that Lemieux was the better player as a pure talent, physical and technically brilliant, but Gretzky was a mastermind. He understood hockey and other players like I doubt anyone ever will again. Gretzky-Lemieux-Orr is the Holy Trinity of hockey, then you have niche GOATs like goal-scorer Bossy, the legends like Maurice Richard or Beliveau, and I think the next generation is the "highlight GOATs" like Ovie, Crosby, Datsyuk, etc.
Man, I love hockey.
No Steve Yzerman or Sergei Federov
Ovechkin is the GOAT already (and he is still playing).
This is a thread I have been wanting to do for a long time. Compiling a list of hockey’s greatest legends.
Wayne Gretzky - Center
Mario Lemieux - Center
Gordie Howe - Forward / Right Wing
Maurice Richard - Forward / Right Wing
Bobby Orr - Defenseman
Patrick Roy - Goalie
Mark Messier - Center
Phil Esposito - Center
Jean Beliveau - Center
Glenn Hall - Goalie
Howie Morenz - Center
Stan Mikita - Forward / Center
Ray Bourque - Defenseman
Bobby Hull - Forward / Left Wing
Bobby Clarke - Center
Better than Gretzky?
In a list of "old-time" players there is not one Islander or Guy Lefleur? Seriously.
Hasek>>> Roy
In terms of being a goon. Roy is a goon amongst goons.