Greasing the Groove for Strength

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I was researching 'Greasing the Groove' and came across this article by Pavel Tsatsouline.

Grease the Groove for Strength | The Human Machine

Found it very interesting. I'd come across a lot of the ideas in this article in bits and pieces, but hadn't seen it put together.

Anyway, the article raised a few questions:

1) What do people think of this kind of approach? It looks like it will have you squatting or whatever alot more than three times a week.

2) Is this kind of approach reflected in programmes like Shieko and Smolov? It looks like in Smolov the intensity is so high, you are going to have trouble staying away from frying yourself.

3) So can I infer that I could do, say, a few sets of triples at 60-70% of my 1RM every morning (or most mornings) before breakfast for a while, and get a lot of benefits?

Any thoughts?
 
To avoid overtraining, I feel this method is best reserved for body-weight exercises.
 
Yeah I think primarily it's for people who need to get better at bodyweight exercises, like someone going into the marines and needs to do more pull ups. I think I heard someone saying that it could increase the number of repetitions for that weight in that exercise(your 3rm may become your 5 or 10)rm, which will have some carry over to an increased 1rm, but not as much as focused strength work.
 
Yeah I think primarily it's for people who need to get better at bodyweight exercises, like someone going into the marines and needs to do more pull ups. I think I heard someone saying that it could increase the number of repetitions for that weight in that exercise(your 3rm may become your 5 or 10)rm, which will have some carry over to an increased 1rm, but not as much as focused strength work.

I did something not unlike this for dips, when I could barely do any, and it worked really well. But I am interested that the author believes that it can be done for heavier barbell exercises too.
 
This does work really well for me to increase one thing at a time, like pullups or bench. Only thing is, is that it interferes with a normal, well-rounded workout routine, which is more useful and effective overall for me.
 
That is an approach we actually used in the Marine Corps. We would make our young boots that sucked at pull ups do a set everytime they walked passed a pull up bar. I don't know if any of you have ever been to a marine Corps base, but there are pull up bars EVERYWHERE, even randomly in the middle of the woods and desert. I used this approach when I first joined and it worked wonders.

I have pavel's book, Power To The People and he definately talks about high volume low rep work. I believe it will work for lifts if you never approach failure and only focus on that one lift. For some people atleast. I know there are some guys in this forum that love high volume work. 5 days a week may be pushing it, but I'd assume you wouldn't be doing much of anything else. It's a very "soviet" approach.
 
It's really tempting to try some sort of high volume approach. I am working from my guest house for the next month, and the gym is just upstairs from me. Almost no one else uses the weights. I could just leave them set up, go up and to a couple of triples before breakfast, before lunch, etc. Make it a few more triples every day. We have masses of food here and I have plenty of time to rest as I set my own work schedule and am on top of things.

But then I figure, if I am going to do something like that, why not do a structured high-volume programme like Smolov Jr?

Plus, of course, there are so many things I really want to try, when I still need to run my current programme for some time yet.
 
I didn't read the thing but I'll share my story. I've been wanting to train a LOT ever since I got a barbell + weights and sawhorses - and thus could train at home. I was not happy enough with doing 3 sets of 5 rep squats, and felt like I was not training enough. Athletes in most other sports train a lot more often, why should you lift weights some set amount of time that seems like it's not barely enough for you?

So I just thought... fuck it, I'm not gonna follow the conventional wisdom. I'm just gonna follow my own brain/common sense. My idea was very simple - lift heavy weights often to get good at lifting heavy weights. I focused mainly on heavy triples (% off the 1rm really don't work for me, so by heavy I mean 90-95% of the day's 3 rep max), taking a lot of rest between these (15-20 minutes was usual, 1 hour was not too uncommon... obviously since I train at home I would often go somewhere, and do another triple few hours later after I would come back), and doing lots of these heavy triples. There really wasn't some magic number of triples that I would do, I would just do as many as I wanted to - sometimes just 5, sometimes 15. Usually I would train about 4-5 times a week like this, doing this for squats and military press (I know regret at least not doing chin ups).
I figured I would follow this approach as long as I didn't feel too bad (which could mean I was over training), or until I would get noticeably weaker in the lifts I did.

But really, this isn't all that important... the whole idea of this training was that I will just do heavy compound movements (as long as you do a normal number of reps like 5 you'll be fine), rest a lot between sets, and do this often. I think that you can train a lot... especially if you're young like I am and don't have some physically demanding job. In my opinion, in most situations, the more you train, the faster you will get better - over training does exist, but I just think that a lot of people could train more than they are training and get better faster this way. Whether this approach is suitable for you, I don't know. I'm pretty convinced that this way of training is not suitable if you are not willing to spend a lot of time lifting - while you will do say... X times more heavy lifting than on starting strength, you will not see X times more gains.

I dare to say I made pretty good gains training this way, getting my self a 230 push press, 365 concentric high bar squat, and a 500 deadlift after my first half year of training, following the above ways for about 4 months I think. While I've always been a stronger guy than other kids at school (which started to be less apparent as time went on and I started playing diablo2 lol), I didn't do any consistent training of some sort before this. Occasional bjj, occasional PE class in school, but that's it.

Hope you can make some sense out of what I wrote, I'm a bit stoned and English is not my first language, so it might be a bit hard to understand lol.

BTW if you're thinking of giving this a try, read some stuff about/from John Broz. While I did not do what he makes his lifters do, I tried to make sense of his training philosophy and applied to mine - well it mainly just gave me confidence to try this sort of training out. People often take some stuff he writes too literally, like: "there's no such thing as over training", but really... his whole point is that you should train hard if you really want to get better - and I think even Glenn Pendlay agreed with me on this when I was "defending" John Broz in some thread on this forum a few months ago.
 
Pavel is my hero. I read a lot of his stuff over Christmas holiday and everything I read from him was pure gold.

And I always take at least 5 minutes between sets and even a minute between reps if I feel I need it. I try to keep to between 3 and 5 reps and I have no qualms squatting or deadlifting three times a week. I am just a beginner but that is the gist of how I "workout", a word Pavel hates because he feels it infected strength training.
 
Hope you can make some sense out of what I wrote, I'm a bit stoned and English is not my first language, so it might be a bit hard to understand lol.

Thanks! What you're describing is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about. So your post was very helpful.

I am tempted by something like that, but, like so many people, I am temted by so many things, and I need to make sure that I don't keep constantly mixing it up and stopping myself making any progress. So I think my better angels are telling me just to stick to what I am doing at the moment.
 
I read one of the GTG articles online and set up a bar in the garage.

Started doing about 4-5 reps throughout the day and eventually got to the point where I was doing 12-15 reps several times during the day...and my max effort was 24.

I thought this approach worked extremely well
 
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