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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Travis Trayer, Oct 16, 2005.

  1. Travis Trayer

    Travis Trayer Amateur Fighter

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    I had heard rumors that these tournaments are sloppily run, but I had no idea it was going to be this bad. There was maybe 400 competitors with six mats. The entire time I was there they never had more that 3 mats running at a time. Most of the time it was either 2-3. The flyer said that the doors open at 9:30. They didn't open till almost 11:30. They were still sitting htings up, that is just ridiculous.

    My team mate decideds to come with me, he is a pretty good compeitive judo player, and wanted to test his skills against some BJJ guys. It was his first tournament and he didn't really know what to expect. But he signed up for the black belt division to see what the best have. Well unfortunately he was the only person to sign up for the black belt division, which I can't hold that against them, but the fact they neglected to tell him at any point was ridiculous. He didn't find out until the only division he could go in was the blue belt division.

    So yeah we were like at least four hours behind, which is ridiculous for a small tournament. Plus you had no idea when you might be called up so you coudln't just go eat. I had like a danish, granola bar, and a banana all day. By the time I was done with GI i just got the fuck out of there and skipped out on my no gi part. I didn't want to be there till freaking midnight.

    At least my compeition was good. I ending up placing third out of 22 in the blue belt open, and I can honestly say that the two guys who placed ahead of me were better than me, especially the gentlemen who won it. He would have done quite well in the purple belt division, he had skills. Submitted every person he faced.

    I might give Gracie Worlds a chance because of the whole Arnold Fitness Expo, but I really don't think I plan on compeition in any more Relson Gracie tournaments.
     
  2. hayliks

    hayliks Banned Banned

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    dude... you must've missed my post on the tournament at the arnold's... it was complete and utter crap, my division ran 7 hrs behind (they called us like every 20 min or so from 3pm to 10pm saying we'd be up soon on mat x)...
     
  3. guardpasser

    guardpasser Tudo Bem Bjj

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    i guy i trained with and got strummed by down in austin, got 2nd in super heavy purple and open division.
    only his second tourny as a purple belt.
    when he was a one stripe blue belt he would submit me like i wasnt even there.
    look for richard powers to be a purple belt machine
     
  4. Travis Trayer

    Travis Trayer Amateur Fighter

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    I remember you saying it was a bunch of shit, but I figured I would give it a shot.... I wish I hadn't.
     
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    greasemonkey Banned Banned

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    god thats horrible and its a so called gracie tournament too.
     
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    Kforcer Dragon Slayer

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    How'd your judo friend end up doing?
     
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    Kforcer Dragon Slayer

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    Sounds a lot like every BJJ tournament. Runs late, and nobody to fight at the upper belts.
     
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    hayliks Banned Banned

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    the arnold's had a lot of higher belts fighting, and their divisions ran smoothly (black belt started EXACTLY on time)...
     
  10. jjmuaythaiguy

    jjmuaythaiguy Brown Belt

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    Yeah, I think a lot of tournaments are delayed. If there was a way to have the tournament over three days instead of one or even two then it would be a lot easier, plus of course more mats running.

    NAGA in Hawaii last year ran late, supposed to start at 8:30 a.m. but started later after the Superfights. I got there at 7:30 a.m. and left at 6:30 p.m. after my match and award ceremony. That was a long day and even though it was long it was worth it.
     
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    kneecompression Orange Belt

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    pretty much the same stuff every year...this was my third time down there and i knew what to expect so it wasn't too bad, but if i hadn't expected it to be a mess i would have been pissed. it's not a bad tournament, i prefer it to the gracie worlds.
     
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    Amy Robinson Amateur Fighter

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    You think the Gracie Worlds tournament at the Arnold thing will go the same way? Cuz I was planning on heading out for that.
     
  13. guardpasser

    guardpasser Tudo Bem Bjj

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    the arnolds should be different, keep in mind 95% of tournaments do start late.
    i have only been to 2 tournies that started on time eva.
    04 mundials and the lutter 04 tournament
     
  14. Travis Trayer

    Travis Trayer Amateur Fighter

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    He got second in two weight classes above his to a guy who should really be a purple belt. This guy also won my open division weight.
     
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    jjmuaythaiguy Brown Belt

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    I was not there so I can't really say what happened there at the tournament but it sounds like it was a bad experience for you.

    But congrats on 3rd place out of 22 blues? Damn tough bracket. How many matches did you have?

    What rank is your judo friend guy? He competes in judo as a black belt? I think I am reading your post wrong. From reading the post it sounded as if he was supposed to enter black belt division but there was none? If he is a judo black belt but got second in the blue belt division is that good or bad? I really don't know a lot of judo guys to know how well that was and since you did not mention the amount of matches I was just trying to clarify. Congrats to him for entering in the first place no matter what, plus in a bigger weight division. Congrats to him and you both!

    Sounds like a real long day as are all competitions.

    I think you should reconsider going to the Arnolds because I think my teacher, Relson, was asked by the govenor to run the tournament for him personally. Going there and entering will blow your plans on not entering Relson Gracie run tournaments.
     
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    guardpasser Tudo Bem Bjj

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    i think judo black belts are on the grappling level of a good blue belt, but with a lot of holes in thier game,but....they kick arse standing, i have grappled a few judo black belts, i took it to the ground quickly, i respect thier throws. i dont disrespect thier ground game but so far i have seen that bjj guys do a lot better.
    since he did as well as he did, ii would say he is very good.
    i would trade techniques with judo guys any time, but most of them hate the gorund game we play.
    btw, i have been beaten by a judo guy before, he was a bjj purple belt also, very good technically
     
  17. jjmuaythaiguy

    jjmuaythaiguy Brown Belt

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    ^^^ Nice one Charles.

    Sometimes on the grappling forum there is someone saying that bjj came from judo which came from ..... so I don't know what judo black belt = bjj belt wise. I also know not to mess with them standing. With my size that would be a seriously hard landing.

    Relson's Brown Belt from Kaneohe subbed two Judo Blackbelt champions one after the other. He said the same thing. Standing, they were throwing him with ease, he put a hand on the hip to stop the throws and took it to the ground where he nearly choked one to unconsiousness, the other tapped before darkness came.

    I rolled with a brown belt judo guy from Japan at the main academy. Relson told me in no few words to "Get it to the ground." We shook hands then began to spar and I jumped (sat down not really the jumping type - hahaha) to guard, secured half guard, guy passed and went knee to the belly with the collar hold. I circled his arm that was straight and grabbed my collar, he rolled to relieve the pressure, so I went with him and got the arm bar. I was still a white belt at that time and Relson's smile was enough of a win for me. Relson told me the guy took private lessons with him that week and brought him a gift when he left. :D
     
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    Damn good thing there were no blackbelts then, for his sake.
     
  19. Travis Trayer

    Travis Trayer Amateur Fighter

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    My buddy is a national champ in Judo, he has been doing it for a long time. I'd say his skills are the same as a solid-strong purple belt. He has never trained for BJJ rules, and it was his first tournament. The guy he lost too was pretty bad ass, from what I seen of the competitions, he could have won the purple belt division. My buddy will do better once he gets accustomed to the rules and develops a fight strategy.

    He signed up for the black belt division expecting to lose. He just wanted to see what the top guys in BJJ had to offer.

    There is no exchange rate for judo to bjj as far as belts are concerned. There are just too many McDojo's for Judo. I can walk through a lot of black belts after just a little over 2.5 years of training. But at the same time, there are a lot of guys who aren't black from good schools he can put up a good fight, and plenty of blacks who can destory me with out mercy. You really have to look at where they are from. As far as their ground game goes, they are only going to be as good on the ground as they want to be. But at the same time ground game for Judo is a lot different than BJJ with the pinning, and the standing up times. It is just where you focus your game at. I'm a prime example. I'm a good blue belt, I've beaten a handful of purples, I've lost to blues, I haven't trained in BJJ. But I like it and love to compete in it, so I just keep that in mind when I'm practicing my ground work in Judo.
     
  20. guardpasser

    guardpasser Tudo Bem Bjj

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    sounds like you and him both are on the right track.
    i plan to train some judo when i get to an area where there is a school.
    i wont disrespect them and try to get crazy on the ground, but i would like to show them some techniques and maybe trade techniques also
     

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