Gracie Barra Review

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So, I have been a member of a Gracie Barra for sometime now. I won't mention which one at the moment, because I don't feel comfortable doing so, but soon I may. This is a review of how it has changed over the years, the good, and the bad.

I am an advanced blue belt for those who are curious about it.

Let's begin:

Green Belts: Sometime ago the organization introduced green belts. Now, you would think that this may lead to a kind of McDojo atmosphere, but in fact it is breeding a kind of super blue belt in our academy. People receive their green belts, which are really only offered every 6 months now (more into that later), and then are stuck with it for a while. This means we have blue belt level green belts around that have to enter comps as white belts. I supposed this is ok, since people feel encouraged once they are promoted to green, and are less likely to quit. They also become more motivated to train and be better than white belts. The negative besides the limbo class this creates for tournaments is the hefty $60 price tag that comes with the belt.

Belt Testing: Belt tests used to be quarterly. Apparently they are now making it biannual. And forget about getting a belt if you can't afford the $60 bucks they charge you for it. With the introduction of green belts, which can be earned as soon as you have a few strips (2-6 months), I can only imagine how much money they make off of this. The ordeal takes hours since we have to wait for kids and adults from 4 different academies to test. I'm yet to see someone fail a test.

Gracie Barra America Take Over: recently Gracie Barra America took over the organization. With that, our formerly relaxed training environment is becoming a pain in the ass environment. Our new rules include always wearing a shirt under the gi, no talking unless it's related to the training, absolutely no cursing (I feel bad for our instructors because they curse often), blah blah blah. They now sell a Gi made by Atama that costs 180 bucks. And you HAVE TO WEAR IT. No other brands, gis, whatever allowed. This is an even bigger pain in the ass because when you start they sell you this shitty judo gi for something like 80 bucks that you must wear, but once you are promoted you HAVE TO WEAR THE DAMN ATAMA GI, meaning fork over 180 bucks along with the 60 that you spent on your belt. Add that to a minimum of 99 bucks a month.
Our instructors come from Brazil, where bjj is absolutely informal, so they feel like total douches having to enforce these rules. Recently one of our top instructors was telling us how back in the day (12 years ago, he's young) there was no bowing, you could slap people during training, you wore whatever gi you could find. Basically, no formal BS. Now they have to endure this stuff.

Instructors:Instruction is top notch. We have a pan am champ, a successful competitor, a good brown, a successful mma fighter, and a few other black belts. Since we have so many locations there is plenty of room to develop a varied game, and to see different styles of BJJ if you can train at different places. Our instructors are overworked, teaching all classes in their respective academies, in charge of administrative work, having to train to compete, etc. they pull 12-14 hour days at least 3 times a week, but I suspect that most places are similar.

Anyways, this is a review for now. I'll add more later. Really tired ATM.

Update 02/18/10:


This is stirring more controversy than I thought. The reason I choose to keep location confidential for now is because I love my instructors and training partners, and I don't want to create a negative atmosphere in the academy. I also don't want to drive potential visitors away and hurt my instructors in the process. I wanted to vent my frustration and generate some discussion in a safe and knowledgeable environment, that's why I came here.

I am not claiming all Gracie Barras are like this. We used to be Gracie Barra X, and now we are switching to GB America. Perhaps the strict adherence to the rules is due to the fact that we are new to the franchise, but there are clear money making schemes in place that bother me.

I'm glad to hear other GB academies don't charge for belts. Unfortunately, we do. And yes, green belts are required for adults, and they do cost 60 bucks. I don't think they're necessarily a bad thing. No one is performing any worse because of these belts.

Aesopian, I was told that our new Gis are being made by Atama. I don't know how these things work, perhaps our school still has an Atama contract? I don't know.

I am a bit frustrated with the practices in the academy. To some people rules and certain kinds of discipline aren't a big deal. Others are also well off financially. But some of us are low income, students, etc.-- it bothers me that I'm coerced to spend 180 bucks on a new gi when i have a perfectly good old one, and get crap every week for not being able to afford my purple belt test. I am paying my monthly dues, and I feel that's all I'm obliged to do (besides show basic respect). Bowing is perfectly fine with me, and so are many other practices, but being scolded for inane bs as if I owed these people something more than respect and 100 and something dollars a month just doesn't fly.

Let me clarify that the problem is with our top dogs (owners), who by the way are great black belts but are never seen in a mat anymore. Our current instructors are amazing, and don't like having to enforce any of these rules. Unfortunately they get an earful if they don't.

So basically some of your blue-belt level green belts are sandbagging in the white belt division to feel good about themselves?
No, our green belts compete in white out of respect for the blue belts. They haven't been awarded a blue yet and feel that they should respect that fact. Considering the fact that many of them get their greens after one or two stripes, they aren't necessarily sandbagging.

I am not a troll. And no, I didn't disappear. Look at my join date, this account is almost two years old - it wasn't created for this post. I joined the forum a long time ago but never had occasion/much time to post.
 
So, I have been a member of Gracie Barra for sometime now. I won't mention which one at the moment, because I don't feel comfortable doing so, but soon I may. This is a review of how it has changed over the years, the good, and the bad.

I am an advanced blue belt for those who are curious about it.

Let's begin:

Green Belts: Sometime ago the organization introduced green belts. Now, you would think that this may lead to a kind of McDojo atmosphere, but in fact it is breeding a kind of super blue belt in our academy. People receive their green belts, which are really only offered every 6 months now (more into that later), and then are stuck with it for a while. This means we have blue belt level green belts around that have to enter comps as white belts. I supposed this is ok, since people feel encouraged once they are promoted to green, and are less likely to quit. They also become more motivated to train and be better than white belts. The negative besides the limbo class this creates for tournaments is the hefty $60 price tag that comes with the belt.

Belt Testing: Belt tests used to be quarterly. Apparently they are now making it biannual. And forget about getting a belt if you can't afford the $60 bucks they charge you for it. With the introduction of green belts, which can be earned as soon as you have a few strips (2-6 months), I can only imagine how much money they make off of this. The ordeal takes hours since we have to wait for kids and adults from 4 different academies to test. I'm yet to see someone fail a test.

Gracie Barra America Take Over: recently Gracie Barra America took over the organization. With that, our formerly relaxed training environment is becoming a pain in the ass environment. Our new rules include always wearing a shirt under the gi, no talking unless it's related to the training, absolutely no cursing (I feel bad for our instructors because they curse often), blah blah blah. They now sell a Gi made by Atama that costs 180 bucks. And you HAVE TO WEAR IT. No other brands, gis, whatever allowed. This is an even bigger pain in the ass because when you start they sell you this shitty judo gi for something like 80 bucks that you must wear, but once you are promoted you HAVE TO WEAR THE DAMN ATAMA GI, meaning fork over 180 bucks along with the 60 that you spent on your belt. Add that to a minimum of 99 bucks a month.
Our instructors come from Brazil, where bjj is absolutely informal, so they feel like total douches having to enforce these rules. Recently one of our top instructors was telling us how back in the day (12 years ago, he's young) there was no bowing, you could slap people during training, you wore whatever gi you could find. Basically, no formal BS. Now they have to endure this stuff.

Instructors:Instruction is top notch. We have a pan am champ, a successful competitor, a good brown, a successful mma fighter, and a few other black belts. Since we have so many locations there is plenty of room to develop a varied game, and to see different styles of BJJ if you can train at different places. Our instructors are overworked, teaching all classes in their respective academies, in charge of administrative work, having to train to compete, etc. they pull 12-14 hour days at least 3 times a week, but I suspect that most places are similar.

Anyways, this is a review for now. I'll add more later. Really tired ATM.

I can't wait to hear where you train....Our school is NOTHING like that. Neither are our promotions or are costs. The rules are there, but its nothing like this boot camp you describe. Even when Master Carlos himself showed up...it was pretty relaxed aside from the excitement.

I mean everything is common sense..you don't want to curse around parents or kids or women....thats anywhere. And wearing a shirt or a rash guard under your Gi is good for hygiene.
 
I predict that this thread will be around for a while.

I spent 22 days at Gracie Barra in Brazil. I met most of the top guys there. They were all very kind to me including Carlinhos. I compete at IBJJF tournaments because, at the moment, they are the best run and most competitive tournaments out there.
 
I train at Gracie Barra...We have no green belts...and no belt testing...You get your belt when you've earned it...
 
I train at Gracie Barra...We have no green belts...and no belt testing...You get your belt when you've earned it...

us too...except we DO have green belts...but it is only for kids because you can't get your blue belt untill your at least 16.
 
I agree with padlock... our gym is nothing like this... If we have a seminar we try to adhere to the rules more, out of respect for whomever we are hosting. I believe it varies everywhere. I love the family atmosphere GB promotes.
 
I can't wait to hear where you train....Our school is NOTHING like that. Neither are our promotions or are costs. The rules are there, but its nothing like this boot camp you describe. Even when Master Carlos himself showed up...it was pretty relaxed aside from the excitement.

I mean everything is common sense..you don't want to curse around parents or kids or women....thats anywhere. And wearing a shirt or a rash guard under your Gi is good for hygiene.

I always am skeptical of these anonymous people who have zero posts and then start a thread in order to trash an organization.
 
I have trained with three Gracie Barra black belt professors.

Eder Persiliano was my first teacher, I was with him for about 6 months. This was in Columbia, SC. That location is no longer around, Eder now teaches in Arkansas. I left with 1 stripe on the white belt.

I spent a little over a year with Fabio Costa and Alexandre Dande Ferreira at Gracie Barra Georgia in Acworth, GA. I got my blue belt while there. Dande is now training with Babalu in California and from what I've heard Fabio does a lot of travelling now, but two of his students, Vito and Vic, basically teach most of the classes. Vito recently got his black belt from Carlinhos and Vic is an advanced brown belt. Both are experienced martial artists outside of BJJ--Vito was a professional boxer and Vic has an extensive wrestling background.

Since last July, I have been training with Draculino in Webster, TX.

I am posting this not to discredit your post at all, but just to say this is nothing like the experience I have had at GB at all.
 
I've been looking into joining a GB academy here in southern California, maybe even GB America. From what I've read it seems as if:

1. Green belts are something that individual schools choose give out. I've never heard or read anything about all GB schools adding green belt to the curriculum. I have noticed that GB schools tend to give out blue belts faster then some schools.

2. Never heard or read anything about having to buy a cheap GI and then an expensive one. I just thought you had to buy the expensive one right off the bat, which if you're convinced that you enjoy training jiu jitsu and not just the idea of being able to grapple effectively might not be a bad idea.

3. 99 dollars a month is cheap. With property values/commercial leases in southern California still out of the stratosphere, we're luck to be paying less than 150 a month.

And another thing, don't give GB and there instructors a hard time about charging whatever they want to charge for their service. This is America God Dammit, everyone's entitled to make a living. If you don't want to pay you can always go to another school.
 
And another thing, don't give GB and there instructors a hard time about charging whatever they want to charge for their service. This is America God Dammit, everyone's entitled to make a living. If you don't want to pay you can always go to another school.

Good thing, everyone is also entitled to 'give them a hard time' about whatever they choose to charge.
 
Good thing, everyone is also entitled to 'give them a hard time' about whatever they choose to charge.

Touche my friend, but I think they should be applauded for being successful entrepreneurs not hated on by anonymous sherdoggers for trying to make the best living they can.
 
I do not train at Gracie Barra but I have lots of friends who train at local GB's in Southern California. I have yet to hear of any of them offering green belts to adults, belt testing or being forced to wear the GB gi. The only school I've seen that enforces the gi rule is the main academy (Irvine, CA), many of the others can wear a gi of choice and put a patch on. I disagree with some of the practices of Gracie Barra but it seems like your academy is going a bit overboard. There are over 12 Gracie Barras within 40 miles and this is the first I've heard about the things you mentioned. I would love to hear wear you train also..
 
$60 for a belt? Do most other GB gyms do this?

No, we charge 15.00 dollars for your belt..IF you want it. Your free to buy your own somewhere else. We only charge you 15.00 because it cost us 15.00...and in fact..WE pay the shipping.
 
No, we charge 15.00 dollars for your belt..IF you want it. Your free to buy your own somewhere else. We only charge you 15.00 because it cost us 15.00...and in fact..WE pay the shipping.

I've seen people come on a couple grappling forums and start these same threads with the same scare tactic nonsense. Peculiar.
 
Our GB school is nothing like that either.
Green belts are for 13-15 year olds, then blue at 16.
No formality to speak of. (Probably the most formal class is the kids BJJ class that I teach - I make them bow on & off the mats, ask permission to leave the mats, we have a "take the knees" moment at the end of class - but all that stuff is just good structure which helps the kids, in my opinion.)
Gi rules - I'm currently waiting on my Keiko Raca so I can put a few GB patches on it and add it to the gi-collection. I have an Atama with patches added, an "official" GB gi, the soon-arriving Keiko, and I'll probably buy one more "Official" GB for seminars & whatnot. Nobody says anything about the various gi brands.
No charge for promotions by our senior browns- belt costs are simply just belt cost. $15.00. But when our BB comes up for a seminar and does a test & promotion, it does cost $65.00. Not that big of a deal.

And to agree with others - the family-like atmosphere is great!
 
So, I have been a member of Gracie Barra for sometime now. I won't mention which one at the moment, because I don't feel comfortable doing so, but soon I may. This is a review of how it has changed over the years, the good, and the bad.

I have been training at Gracie Barra America since 2007 and recently switched to Gracie Barra Mission Viejo. Proud student.


I am an advanced blue belt for those who are curious about it.

I am also a 4-stripe blue.



Green Belts: Sometime ago the organization introduced green belts. Now, you would think that this may lead to a kind of McDojo atmosphere, but in fact it is breeding a kind of super blue belt in our academy. People receive their green belts, which are really only offered every 6 months now (more into that later), and then are stuck with it for a while. This means we have blue belt level green belts around that have to enter comps as white belts. I supposed this is ok, since people feel encouraged once they are promoted to green, and are less likely to quit. They also become more motivated to train and be better than white belts. The negative besides the limbo class this creates for tournaments is the hefty $60 price tag that comes with the belt.

I have never seen anything but kids under 16 with green belts. I have never seen any wait 6 month for promotion. People get stripes and belts as they progress on their own time schedule and when the instructors deem them ready. I was just given my blue belt when I got promoted. No charge for the belt cost or the promotion. My monthly dues apparently cover that.


Belt Testing: Belt tests used to be quarterly. Apparently they are now making it biannual. And forget about getting a belt if you can't afford the $60 bucks they charge you for it. With the introduction of green belts, which can be earned as soon as you have a few strips (2-6 months), I can only imagine how much money they make off of this. The ordeal takes hours since we have to wait for kids and adults from 4 different academies to test. I'm yet to see someone fail a test.

There has never been a charge for a promotion that I am aware of at any of the Gracie Barra schools i have trained at. I definitely never paid for one. And as mentioned above never had to wait for a large group promotion. Also I have never seen a promotion 'test' if you have put in your time and the Professor believes you deserve the next stripe or belt you will get it.

Gracie Barra America Take Over: recently Gracie Barra America took over the organization. With that, our formerly relaxed training environment is becoming a pain in the ass environment. Our new rules include always wearing a shirt under the gi, no talking unless it's related to the training, absolutely no cursing (I feel bad for our instructors because they curse often), blah blah blah. They now sell a Gi made by Atama that costs 180 bucks. And you HAVE TO WEAR IT. No other brands, gis, whatever allowed. This is an even bigger pain in the ass because when you start they sell you this shitty judo gi for something like 80 bucks that you must wear, but once you are promoted you HAVE TO WEAR THE DAMN ATAMA GI, meaning fork over 180 bucks along with the 60 that you spent on your belt. Add that to a minimum of 99 bucks a month.

They do require you to wear a gi with Gracie Barra patches. Plenty of people wear a variety of alternative Gi brands with a patch kit put on and I have never seen anything said. I myself wear a Kikskin gi or at least the Kikskin pants to almost every class. Wearing a rashguard or t-shirt is to help not spread ringworm and other related skin diseases, I'm on board with that and think its a good policy. Also the Gi they sell to new students is the basic Gracie Barra gi that you can get online but they sell it to you at a 50% discount price during your first month. As to cursing, unless you are 13 years old im not sure why this bothers you. I hear a bit of cursing here and there and have never seen anyone scolded but i suppose if someone were to be a belligerent jackass they would get talked too. Plenty of small talk occurs at the gym and none of the instructors ever say anything unless its becoming disruptive, such as talking while technique is being demonstrated. The only actual reprimanding I have ever been aware of was a a blue-belt getting taken to the side and talked to sternly for jumping into leg locks the week before the 2009 worlds with a out of town purple-belt that was training there just to prepare for the tournament.


Our instructors come from Brazil, where bjj is absolutely informal, so they feel like total douches having to enforce these rules. Recently one of our top instructors was telling us how back in the day (12 years ago, he's young) there was no bowing, you could slap people during training, you wore whatever gi you could find. Basically, no formal BS. Now they have to endure this stuff.

My instructors all come from Brazil too! They have a wide variety of personalities but I can't picture any of them wanting to slap people during training or why you would want your professor to encourage that.
 
I can't wait to hear where you train....Our school is NOTHING like that. Neither are our promotions or are costs. The rules are there, but its nothing like this boot camp you describe. Even when Master Carlos himself showed up...it was pretty relaxed aside from the excitement.

I mean everything is common sense..you don't want to curse around parents or kids or women....thats anywhere. And wearing a shirt or a rash guard under your Gi is good for hygiene.

Yet, when I visited Draculino's all those rules he listed were hung up in the locker room. I think Drac just chooses not to enforce them, not that the rules dont exist.

Can someone explain to me why GB demands the use of a rashguard when IBJJF tournaments forbid them, even though they are pretty much run by GB?
 
Yet, when I visited Draculino's all those rules he listed were hung up in the locker room. I think Drac just chooses not to enforce them, not that the rules dont exist.

Can someone explain to me why GB demands the use of a rashguard when IBJJF tournaments forbid them, even though they are pretty much run by GB?

The explanation I have heard about rashguards is it helps prevent skin diseases from spreading. This came from one of the blackbelts at GBA HQ in Irvine, can't recall which.
 
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