Good boxing combinations against a taller opponent

[Hybrid_Killer]

You need better readin comprehension, bro. Again, properly programmed strength training =! "bulking up like a meathead" but will make you stronger and more explosive. What size you put on is highly dependent on your diet.

Powerlifters and Oly litters are experts at training for maximal strength and explosiveness which are most useful to a combat athlete. Are you seriously telling me Oly lifters are slow and poorly conditioned? Go to the Strength and Conditioning forum an educate yourself.

 

[JKkiM**]

This is an advice I got from a former bodybuilder whose aspiring to be a pro boxer. He had to cut down 50 lbs of muscle and he's now trying to slowly build up, because the muscle mass he gained quickly from bulking with slow heavy weights were useless for fighting. You lose so much speed and conditioning. Weight lifting can be a great and important part of your routine, you just have to be careful not to train like a weightlifter/bodybuilder. Explosive, high repetition lifting that you slowly raise over time is the best way to go.

 

[JKkiM**]

You need better readin comprehension, bro. Again, properly programmed strength training =! "bulking up like a meathead" but will make you stronger and more explosive. What size you put on is highly dependent on your diet.

Powerlifters and Oly litters are experts at training for maximal strength and explosiveness which are most useful to a combat athlete. Are you seriously telling me Oly lifters are slow and poorly conditioned? Go to the Strength and Conditioning forum an educate yourself.

I guarantee you the conditioning difference between a boxer and an olympic lifter/powerlifter is massive. How did you even arrive to this conclusion?

Compared to a boxer, yes, they are slow and and poorly conditioned.

 

[JKkiM**]

Olympic lifting can be useful for boxing as long as your not lifting slow heavy weights with it. You want to do it with medium weights and do it explosively with high repetition. Get out of here man, you have no idea what your talking about. Do you even box? You don't want to be slowly powerlifting heavy weights for boxing, its terrible for your conditioning and speed.

 

[Hybrid_Killer]

Lol @ equating bodybuilding with proper strength training. Your bodybuilder buddy dieted specifically to put on that mass. This has nothing to do with lifting sensibly for athletic performance.

Also, lol@lifting light weights "explosively" being useful for anything. You can move 10lbs quickly. Well done.

Again, go and educate yourself on using proper resistance training for athletic endeavors.
Edit: I'm browsing this thread on my phone so can't reply quickly. Will continue this when I get on a computer.

 

[JKkiM**]

Lol @ equating bodybuilding with proper strength training. Your bodybuilder buddy dieted specifically to put on that mass. This has nothing to do with lifting sensibly for athletic performance.

Also, lol@lifting light weights "explosively" being useful for anything. You can move 10lbs quickly. Well done.

Again, go and educate yourself on using proper resistance training for athletic endeavors.

I'm convinced you have no idea whatsoever about boxing or fighting, just a gym rat who thinks his big bulky muscles are actually useful. There is a reason why MMA fighters and boxers lift medium weights explosively in high repetition and not slowly lift heavy weights. Its useless bulking. You don't ever want to powerlift as a fighter. Get out of here man,

 

[Hybrid_Killer]

Olympic lifting can be useful for boxing as long as your not lifting slow heavy weights with it. You want to do it with medium weights and do it explosively with high repetition. Get out of here man, you have no idea what your talking about. Do you even box? You don't want to be slowly powerlifting heavy weights for boxing, its terrible for your conditioning and zspeed.

Man, you just equated Olympic lifting with "slow" movements. You clearly have no idea. That you have no idea is also shown by the fact that you think one would weightlift to improve their "conditioning".

 

[JKkiM**]

No need to continue, I doubt you even had a single amateur fight.

I'm going to bed, enjoy your ignorance. I can't believe you think power-lifting and bulking by slowly lifting heavy weights is a good idea. The only point I ever made was that you want to be careful weight lifting and you want to do it explosively with medium weights in high repetitions. Circuit training is also not overrated and is the most essential part of any fighters conditioning. I don't care what you and your gym buddies came to the conclusion whats useful for a FIGHTER or not. Nothing you said so far actually addressed anything I've said.

 

[Hybrid_Killer]

I'm convinced you have no idea whatsoever about boxing or fighting, just a gym rat who thinks his big bulky muscles are actually useful. There is a reason why MMA fighters and boxers lift medium weights explosively in high repetition and not slowly lift heavy weights. Its useless bulking. You don't ever want to powerlift as a fighter. Get out of here man,

Again, improve your reading comprehension, bro. For the third time, mass put on due to lifting is dependent on your diet. You can get much stronger and explosive without putting significant mass on if you program your training in the gym correctly.

 

[JKkiM**]

Man, you just equated Olympic lifting with "slow" movements. You clearly have no idea. That you have no idea is also shown by the fact that you think one would weightlift to improve their "conditioning".

Again, your trying to mislead from my point. I've said over and over even from the beginning that weight lifting can be an important tool for a fighter, you just don't want to slow lift/power lift. I never associated Oylmpic lifting with slow movements, I said you want to use lower weight and do it explosively instead of high weights slowly.

I've concluded that you have no idea how to actually make a logical argument, cya idiot.

 

[Hybrid_Killer]

Again, your trying to mislead from my point. I've said over and over even from the beginning that weight lifting can be an important tool for a fighter, you just don't want to slow lift/power lift. I never associated Oylmpic lifting with slow movements, I said you want to use lower weight and do it explosively instead of high weights slowly.

I've concluded that you have no idea how to actually make a logical argument, cya idiot.

You mad, bro? Go an test your arguments with the good folk in the Strength & Conditioning forum and see how you go. See who the ignorant one is. Whether I have had any fight experience or not is irrelevant. There is a reason why people don't go to boxing coaches for conditioning and strength advice. Your posts in this thread show that this is a prudent decision.

Just quickly:

1. Your equating of strength training with making an athlete bulky and slow is a myth and shows a complete ignorance of resistance training and it's physiological effects.

2. That you keep saying lifting will automatically make an athlete put on unwanted mass shows a complete ignorance of the role played by one's diet.

3. Your reliance on circuit training for conditioning shows a complete ignorance of the energy systems that make up a fighter's conditioning and the importance of building these systems Based on an individuals goals and weaknesses.

So yeah, go educate yourself. Until you show yourself and your arguments at the above mbtiones forum, I'm done here.

You're welcome/goodnight/etc.

 

[ssullivan80]

Without reading the whole thread (Im sure someone suggested this, I hope!)

Against a taller guy 1,2body or 1,1,2body is bread n butter.

 

[andy-pandy]

differant fighters use differnat ways against taller guys but heres whats worked for me

i have had most success with crouched over slighty with constant head movement, with some of the slips turning into full rolls
i land most by stepping forward throwing hooks but as i step forward im slipping to the outside, as i come in distance they throw a punch which is slipped and i come back with the hook just after the slip wether they throw at me or not, for me coming forward being agressive against taller guys worked best and landing my hands while they throw theres

also i like to mix up with alot of body since the head is harder to get to
jab to the chest the right hand over the top
jab to right hook to body
right hook to body follow with left hook to head
straight right followed by left hook to body

not saying use all of them but try each and see if any works well for you but remember if finishing on body and not just hitting it to setup then make sure its hard enough to hurt them since it's not likely to be scored

 

[JBeard]

Pretty sure Olympic lifts are great for speed and power.... I have read a lot about weight training and enjoy all types of training fom boxing to weights etc. All you advise is awesome JKkiM.. and I totally agree with it all except the fact that yes Olympic lifts are good for speed, but if you dont do cardio/boxing as well your just gonna get heavy and muscly which just slows you down due to the weight of yourself... not because you have muscle..

 

[killabee15]

overall id say circuit training/sprint cardio type workouts are the best for a competitive fighter that plans on fighting longer than 30 seconds.

But i have nothing against some people using heavy weights, even for slow reps if you a body type that wont end up "bulky and slow"

Heavy weights improve your strength and your hitting power. For some people they will gain a lot of muscle mass that slows them down, but other people will gain little to no weight and get stronger pfp. Look in a local gym not everyone lifting heavy gets big in the process but alot of them are doing the same powerlifting/bodybuilding workouts ( lighter guys sometimes even outlift the bulky ones). This is very genetically determined

If your have the genetics to not gain a lot of muscle mass dont hesitate to lift weights, but i wouldnt put it before cardio workouts unless you feel that you are so well conditioned you wont fatigue.

 

[Rotfrukten]

Feint your jab towards his face, go with a right straight to the body and finish with a hard left hook to the jaw. Mix it up, 2 jabs, feint the first one and then either slip if he reacts or if he leans back jab again and follow up with a straight right.