Social GoldenWolf's COVID Vaccine/Lockdown Protest megathread

[Anewt]

I'd argue that if life would have continued as normal, actually allowing the virus to spread and confer natural immunity, we would have seen the epidemic end FAR sooner and with less death as we would have reached herd immunity rather quickly, reducing current spread instead of keeping people separated and then acting shocked when cases went back up as things slowly went back to normal.



You can't govern everyone under the assumption that everyone will comply. People will do what they want when it comes to taking their own risks. Anyone who wishes to avert risk should do what they think is appropriate aswell while also considering their own risk compared to that of the general population.



The lockdowns were stupid regardless of what actions anyone was taking. Everyone is going to get covid. We knew since fairly early on that it was going to be endemic. No amount of masking, injections, isolation or even fleeing the country was going to stop anyone from getting it. At that point, we should have just ripped the band-aid off and let it spread; the sooner we reached herd immunity the better shot we had at stopping the virus.

There are people in this thread still arguing, in contravention of all of the publicly available data that the lockdowns had a net benefit on loss of life. I strongly disagree. I personally did nothing to avoid covid and am statistically likely to have had an asymptomatic case. I am not in any high risk population and I wasn't afraid. I just lived my life



There is a contradiction in your logic here. It's obvious that the death toll from covid was extremely inflated by not distinguishing between death "with" covid vs death "from" covid. If anything that makes the current non-covid excess death rate even all the more extreme. Excess deaths are up 15%+ (in some places 20%+) when compared to the excess death numbers from 2016-2019. This is the most statically significant rise in non-war related death rates ever. It starts in 2021 and is still continuing today depite covid effectively having mutated to the lethality of a common flu.

What environmental factors changed in 2021 on such a global scale? The combination of the injections and the government Covid policies are causing more death than they prevented. I predict the excess deaths will remain above 10% above normal and gradually decline as fewer and fewer people keep coming back for the shots.

In fairness. My state locking down got us to the omicron surge of coronavirus. So due to mainly luck ( we were opening up regardless what variation ). Pure luck by the government but it worked out well for my state.

Do I think we should have locked down and done mandates? No. I think the children are going to be the ones who suffer far greater issues than most have realised. Not worth the trade off imo.

For myself? I already didn't like people and had gone rural so my life didn't change. Got lucky with no loved ones either being harmed with bad covid. Or anything vaccine related either.

I would say so far in Queensland ( my state ) the lockdowns had a positive impact in terms of covid deaths. ( we for all intents and purposes went straight to omicron. Avoided Alpha and delta. )

Masks I rarely ever had to wear.. maybe 3 or 4 times all pandemic. Once again I'm rural and Avoid people. If I'm sick I will wear a n95 for others, that's the only time I'll choose to wear one. Don't particularly care if people do or don't personally. I'll do what I feel is right. Others can do what they feel is right. I honestly dgaf provided it's a individuals choice.

I put our lower death toll on having avoided delta and Alpha. Not the vaccine that does very very little to help people with omicron.

Some of the things people have missed out on due to governmental over reach is absolutely disgusting tho...... and I don't think we're truly going to know the sad and atrocious reality of the damage caused by the mandates for a couple of decades.

We may have ruined a generation which is tragic.

 

[Renard]

Never.

I hope people stop wearing them in Japan and start to shed them by March when I go. I don't want to have to start wearing one indoors there after not wearing one for over a year.

Two weeks ago the four-time undefeated champion in Japan's shogi grand tournament final (a popular Japanese version of chess) was disqualified for the horrendous unsporting behaviour of... taking off his mask, 4 hours in. The referee didn't say anything. His wuss opponent, instead of trying to beat him like a man, went out of the room 5 or 6 times while the champion was playing his turn in search of an official to snitch on him on. He eventually found one and the champion got DQ'd. Japanese people are apparently fine with it because 'it's the rules'. With their culture of social conformity, it's going to be an upward climb for any return to normalcy for Japan. We've got a lot of sheep in the west but thank god for individualism, it protects us against things going too haywire.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

You support an action that's less effective against Covid than the one I did. Just because you don't like a counter doesn't mean it's illogical or nonsensical.

If you had to make a bet which one is more effective: taking care of your body or masking up, which would you bet on?

The fact is masks were pushed while personal responsibility was completely ignored. I'm not saying physical exercise should have been mandated,but it definitely should have been incentivized. And it was all but ignored despite it fitting the new definition of "vaccine".

Why would you choose?

 

[mon]

WTF do you mind your own business ?

Bye

Lol, you post a statement on a public forum and then say mind your own business? We know by you own words you don't do science but now I i feel obliged to ask do you even logic?


Its all bullshit and the people that are enabling this garbage are as much as a problem as the complicit.

 

[Queen B]

Hopefully we learn a lot from this fall wave, and if we are able to get past it while minimizing casualties, we can finally call the pandemic over this April with updated vaccines.

So close and almost there

 

[sangreporsangre]

Hey posters from Ontario does this seem legit to you?

 

[aerius]

Hey posters from Ontario does this seem legit to you?

Based on what I'm seeing in the GTA, I'd say that percentage looks way low.

 

[sangreporsangre]

Based on what I'm seeing in the GTA, I'd say that percentage looks way low.

I don't know man I'm in Toronto and I don't see any public space anymore where a lot of people wear masks, certainly nowhere near 50%. Definitely not on the TTC. Do half of these people secretly long to be forced to wear masks?

 

[flashNsmash]

Hey posters from Ontario does this seem legit to you?

fuck no

they still use landlines don't they?

 

[Bald1]

Why would you choose?

The option wasn't even represented as such. Mask up! Get vaccinated!

Build your immune system, boost your health and help yourself? *Crickets*

 

[Deleted member 585708]

The option wasn't even represented as such. Mask up! Get vaccinated!

Build your immune system, boost your health and help yourself? *Crickets*

The option's there now, bud, that's why comparing masks with good health makes no sense.

Do both if you want the best results.

But the 'Thinkers' have decided you can't possibly wear a mask because EVIL STUFF.

 

[aerius]

The option wasn't even represented as such. Mask up! Get vaccinated!

Build your immune system, boost your health and help yourself? *Crickets*

Not being a fucking fatass drastically reduces your odds of dying from covid, and we knew this ages ago. Myself and others have made countless posts about this.
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/163888843/

We're talking about an easy 90% reduction just from losing that blubber, which is better than everything else put together. Did we do anything to address that? Of course not, but wear these masks because we say they work, even though the box they come in explicitly states that they don't do shit.

 

[Bald1]

The option's there now, bud, that's why comparing masks with good health makes no sense.

Do both if you want the best results.

But the 'Thinkers' have decided you can't possibly wear a mask because EVIL STUFF.

I support anyone who wants to wear a mask. Do what's right for you.

My point, which apparently you're determined to dismiss is how effective options were overshadowed by less effective ones. All good as I think we're mostly talking past each other and don't have irreconcilable differences or anything.

 

[Bald1]

Not being a fucking fatass drastically reduces your odds of dying from covid, and we knew this ages ago. Myself and others have made countless posts about this.
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/163888843/

We're talking about an easy 90% reduction just from losing that blubber, which is better than everything else put together. Do we do anything to address that? Of course not, but wear these masks because we say they work, even though the box they come in explicitly states that they don't do shit.

Also, quit fucking disinfecting everything in your life.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Not being a fucking fatass drastically reduces your odds of dying from covid, and we knew this ages ago. Myself and others have made countless posts about this.
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/163888843/

We're talking about an easy 90% reduction just from losing that blubber, which is better than everything else put together. Did we do anything to address that? Of course not, but wear these masks because we say they work, even though the box they come in explicitly states that they don't do shit.

Is there any data about physical fitness post-pandemic?

Seems like you're quick to suggest people aren't doing enough, but are there any relevant statistics to reinforce your point?

 

[mon]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.28.22276926v4

"Increasing SARS-CoV2 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths among the vaccinated populations during the Omicron (B.1.1.529) variant surge in UK"


"The suboptimal vaccine effectiveness with an increased proportion of cases among the vaccinated population was associated with a significantly increased proportion of hospitalizations and deaths during the Omicron variant surge. This underscores the need to prevent infections, especially in the elderly vaccinated population irrespective of vaccination status by employing uniform screening protocols and protective measures."


Copy/paste from another person but a good analysis.

"When trying to show that vaccine protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection and severe outcomes wanes notably over time, Oxford scientists accidentally revealed that vaccinated people die more often from Covid-19 than unvaccinated

Still the British scientists seem to be engaged in Booster-lobbying. At the end of the study, they state: “since vaccinated people die of Covid-19 more often than unvaccinated people within three months, one should consider boosting again faster.” That’s a false strategy from the start which is shown by other data from the U.K. According to it, the effectiveness of Boosters against Omicron was already negative last December

https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ije/dyac199/6770060

"Waning of first- and second-dose ChAdOx1 and BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccinations: a pooled target trial study of 12.9 million individuals in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales "


Once again more indication of drug induced AIDS.

 

[EndlessCritic]

Hey posters from Ontario does this seem legit to you?

No. The Toronto Star is a liberal brainwashing operation.

Let's pretend 100% of people supported mask mandates. That would actually be proof that you don't need mandates, because presumably, all of those individuals would be willing to wear a mask if you simply asked.

The notion that public health policy should be dictated by the polls is an embarrassment. We are supposed to have impartial experts providing this advice to government. A mandate would only be necessary where people overwhelmingly opposed wearing masks, contrary to public health advice. We aren't even at the stage where public health officials are recommending that people wear masks.

Why we would even be discussing a mask mandate without public health officials first making the recommendation that people wear masks is nonsensical.

 

[aerius]

I don't know man I'm in Toronto and I don't see any public space anymore where a lot of people wear masks, certainly nowhere near 50%. Definitely not on the TTC. Do half of these people secretly long to be forced to wear masks?

While it's true that most people aren't wearing masks these days, I think the majority would favour mandates based on the conversations I'm having with other parents along with the customers at the small business I work at. Given the media programming that's started up recently, I expect mask use to start going back up in the near future.

 

[DSOTM]

Hey posters from Ontario does this seem legit to you?

the Toronto Star is complete fucking garbage.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

I'm not talking about human nature. I'm talking about medical science. You think because 70 years ago doctors, pushed by tabacco companies, made this comments that somehow must mean doctors today are wrong about the covid vaccine? You realize how stupid that is?

You can substitute pharmaceutical for tobacco and the same thing rings true today. You're not talking about human nature but that is the problem. It's not the science, it's the greed, God complex (Gates etc..) and other defects of character. Here is one idiot who changed his mind on the vaccine. Some like you still don't understand what happened and why it happened.