GOATs at Each Weight Class QUICKFIRE

I love me some BJ Penn, but he should not be in the honorable mention at WW.

Also, Faber should be #3 at FW. He was carrying the FW division for years and he was at the top longer than Conor, Volk, and Mendes (never at the top)
 
Epicman1324 said:
I'll be giving my top 5 GOATs in each weight class, simple enough really. While I exclude guys who popped for PEDs from my P4P GOAT convo, they will be included without bias on these rankings. Having the number 1 LHW not be Jones, or number 1 MW not be Silva just feels wrong and dirty. I won't be providing a summary with the OP, so if you want my logic, just quote the ranking in question.
Honorable Mentions will be a guy or multiple who could slide into numbers 3-5 depending on the day in my opinion.

HW.
1. Fedor
2. Stipe
3. Cain
4. Big Nog
5. Werdum
Honorable Mentions: Cro Cop, Overeem, Couture, Mir, Lesnar, JDS

LHW
1. Jones
2. Shogun
3. Liddell
4. Page
5. Wanderlei
Honorable Mention: Evans, Couture, Ortiz

MW
1. Anderson
2. Hendo
3. Weidman
4. Franklin
5. Izzy
Honorable Mentions: Romero, Whittaker

WW
1. GSP
2. Usman
3. Hughes
4. Woodley
5. Lawler
Honorable Mention: Wonderboy, Penn, Miletich

LW.
1. Khabib
2. Penn
3. Ferguson
4. Edgar
5. Poirier
Honorable Mentions: Bendo, Pettis, RDA

FW
1. Aldo
2. Holloway
3. McGregor
4. Volkanovski
5. Mendes
Honorable Mention: Faber

BW
1. Cruz
2. Dillashaw
3. Barao
4. Cejudo
(likely to be swapped within a year or so)
5. Yan
Honorable Mention: Faber

FLW
1. DJ
2. Cejudo
3. Figgy
4. Benavidez
5. Dodson
Honorable Mention: Who gives a shit

WMMA (I'll be damned if I have to list 5 for each weight class)
1. Nunes
2. Joanna
3. Rousey
4. Cyborg
5. Shevchenko
Honorable Mentions: Zhang, THUG ROSE, THUG ROSE, THUG ROSE<36>

Discuss.
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Dude get real with Franklin #4 MW of all time. He was a solid fighter and very likeable character but he is barely top5 even in his own era, let alone of all-time. It's ridiculous.

Not even top 10 at this point. His best wins in the division are Tanner and Okami in a extremely close dec. He has not any other consensus top10 win at MW in his career. MMA is not just UFC, mind you, especially back in the early-mid '00s.
 
GrantB13 said:
Fedor
Jones
Silva
GSP
Khabib
Aldo
Cruz
DJ

Greatests in each division doesn't seem very debatable to me.
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Only Khabib vs. Penn seems somewhat debatable. I couldn't even really name anybody else in the other division who have an argument going for them.
 
Epicman1324 said:
I'll be giving my top 5 GOATs in each weight class, simple enough really. While I exclude guys who popped for PEDs from my P4P GOAT convo, they will be included without bias on these rankings. Having the number 1 LHW not be Jones, or number 1 MW not be Silva just feels wrong and dirty. I won't be providing a summary with the OP, so if you want my logic, just quote the ranking in question.
Honorable Mentions will be a guy or multiple who could slide into numbers 3-5 depending on the day in my opinion.

HW.
1. Fedor
2. Stipe
3. Cain
4. Big Nog
5. Werdum
Honorable Mentions: Cro Cop, Overeem, Couture, Mir, Lesnar, JDS

LHW
1. Jones
2. Shogun
3. Liddell
4. Page
5. Wanderlei
Honorable Mention: Evans, Couture, Ortiz

MW
1. Anderson
2. Hendo
3. Weidman
4. Franklin
5. Izzy
Honorable Mentions: Romero, Whittaker

WW
1. GSP
2. Usman
3. Hughes
4. Woodley
5. Lawler
Honorable Mention: Wonderboy, Penn, Miletich

LW.
1. Khabib
2. Penn
3. Ferguson
4. Edgar
5. Poirier
Honorable Mentions: Bendo, Pettis, RDA

FW
1. Aldo
2. Holloway
3. McGregor
4. Volkanovski
5. Mendes
Honorable Mention: Faber

BW
1. Cruz
2. Dillashaw
3. Barao
4. Cejudo
(likely to be swapped within a year or so)
5. Yan
Honorable Mention: Faber

FLW
1. DJ
2. Cejudo
3. Figgy
4. Benavidez
5. Dodson
Honorable Mention: Who gives a shit

WMMA (I'll be damned if I have to list 5 for each weight class)
1. Nunes
2. Joanna
3. Rousey
4. Cyborg
5. Shevchenko
Honorable Mentions: Zhang, THUG ROSE, THUG ROSE, THUG ROSE<36>

Discuss.
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I've seen much worse lists. Kudos. I won't bicker, because there is no such thing as

Question for you. If you didn't exclude fighters who popped from PED use, are any of your 8 mens MMA division champs...

Fedor, Jones, Anderson, GSP, Khabib, Aldo, Cruz, DJ​

...NOT in the top 10 P4P GOAT?
 
Stipe
Fedor
DC
Cain
Ngannou

Jones
DC
Rampage
Chuck
Jan

Silva
Izzy
Whittaker
Romero
Weidman

GSP
Usman
Hughes
Woodley
Colby

Khabib
BJ
Bendo
RDA
Poirier

Holloway
Aldo
Conor
Volkanovski
Ortega

TJ
Cruz
Barao
Cody
Yan

DJ
Cejudo
Figgy
Horiguchi
Benavidez

P4P GOAT

GSP
Jones
Khabib
DJ
Anderson
Stipe
DC
Fedor
Holloway
Cejudo
 
Hendo wasn’t impressive at MW and Franklin is criminally overrated imo ....I realize Mw isn’t deep .... but Whittaker and Romero are top 5 imo
 
r-harper-1 said:
Hendo wasn’t impressive at MW and Franklin is criminally overrated imo ....I realize Mw isn’t deep .... but Whittaker and Romero are top 5 imo
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Ya Hendo will never quite fit into any one category. If he's lower at 185 and/or 205 (and I agree with you he probably should be) then he'll be higher on a P4P list than a few fighters that are above him in those lists.

Which is pretty unique. Not many fighters fall into that category with Hendo. Maybe Vitor or Couture.
 
Kvothe_the_kingkiller said:
Ya Hendo will never quite fit into any one category. If he's lower at 185 and/or 205 (and I agree with you he probably should be) then he'll be higher on a P4P list than a few fighters that are above him in those lists.

Which is pretty unique. Not many fighters fall into that category with Hendo. Maybe Vitor or Couture.
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He definitely Rates higher overall then in any particular division
 
Lol just realized TS didn't include DC at all. DC is the undisputed LHW #2 and should arguably be listed somewhere at HW too. Not including him at all is complete absurdity.
 
Hw
Fedor
Stipe
Nog

LHW
Jones
Shogun
Rampage

Mw
Anderson
Izzy
Whittaker

Ww
GSP
Usman
Hughes

LW
Khabib
Poirier
BJ

FW
Aldo
Max
Conor

Bw
Tj
Cruz
Yamamoto
 
Volador said:
Lol DC has a lot of haters, so you might be right. Maybe not undisputedly #2, although imo it's pretty clear that he beats any LHW in history except Jones. He should be undisputedly top 5 all time unless someone is straight up hating on him though.
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It's hard for everyone to agree on the same answer when they're not even asking or answering the same question!

In this case, the question is how one defines GOAT. Or more specifically, how one weights each criteria behind GOAT.

Your criteria seems to mostly be "who would win, Prime v Prime", so it makes sense that it's unquestionably DC #2. But others who prioritize divisional dominance might very well put Wandy or Chuck at #2 & #3. That's just one example.

TLDR: That's a long winded way of explaining why it's not undisputed ;)
 
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About DC, before writing the list I decided that I wasn't going to include guys whose legacies are split at 2 weight classes because it was too hard to rank them. Then I changed my mind, which is why Randy and Hendo made it. While rewriting the lists DC COMPLETELY slipped my mind, which is inexcusable. DC would slide in at #2 LHW and #4 HW.
 
CombatScience said:
You can't make a list excluding PED users. I think everybody uses PEDS.

I don't count PRIDE, cause those guys shamelessly used PEDS.

Cormier, and Khabib are the GOATS. (I think GSP uses, i think Stipe uses)
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{<shrug}

It's possible. One should never think their favorite fighters is 100% natty, even a vocal supporter of testing like Georges.
 
Epicman1324 said:
Rampage losing his title to Forrest Griffin knocks him down a little
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Rampage beat Liddell twice in two different rule sets. Chuck also lost to Jardine, and then proceeded to get KTFO 4 times in a row. Chuck's title reign was also during the PRIDE era which had the better fighters.
 
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