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GOAT debate is worthless.

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There is no greatest of all time,just the fighter you happen to like the most,at any given time.

All these fighters fought in different eras,weight classes,which presented their own set of benefits and serious challenges.

Obviously the matchmaking system is much looser in the past,and the stance towards PED's. But these men would fight twice,sometimes three times as much as the average fighter now..for alot less pay. Alot more short notice fights,alot more last min opponent changes. Sometimes you didnt even know what the full card was until you watched it. Alot less ways to study your opponents because footage on them would be difficult,and sometimes impossible to obtain. Pride didnt even have public weigh ins!

Those people with their noses up in the air about how much better (or more talented the fighters are) it is now,ought to think about that.

Now things are presented alot clearer,with a rankings system,that helps to keep things competitive and more difficult (for some) to make it to the top. Would todays stars have an easier time in the wilder more loose way the sport was run 20 yrs ago? Or would the hardened warriors who didnt mind throwin hands 6 times a year,dominate the current crop of guys we have,and make them look like sissies?

There's no way to tell. So shut up.

You could say Khabib was the best LW of his era,and that BJ was the best in his. Thats about as far as you can really go.

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There is no greatest of all time,just the fighter you happen to like the most,at any given time.

All these fighters fought in different eras,which presented their own set of benefits and serious challenges.

Obviously the matchmaking system is much looser in the past,and the stance towards PED's. But these men would fight twice,sometimes three times as much as the average fighter now..for alot less pay. Alot more short notice fights,alot more last min opponent changes. Sometimes you didnt even know what the full card was until you watched it. Alot less ways to study your opponents because footage on them would be difficult,and sometimes impossible to obtain. Pride didnt even have public weigh ins!

Those people with their noses up in the air about how much better it is now,ought to think about that.

Now things are presented alot clearer,with a rankings system,that helps to keep things competitive and more difficult (for some) to make it to the top. Would todays stars have an easier time in the wilder more loose way the sport was run 20 yrs ago? Or would the hardened warriors who didnt mind throwin hands 6 times a year,dominate the current crop of guys we have,and make them look like sissies?

There's no way to tell. So shut up.

You could say Khabib was the best LW of his era,and that BJ was the best in his. Thats about as far as you can really go.

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Ah shit. This guy figured it out. I guess we can close sherdog now.
 
The GOAT debate is worthless because it has been settled.

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You guys seem upset that theirs no GOAT.

Yknow,the one that changes every month,lol
 
GOAT and p4p are both absolute bottom-of-the-barrel worthless garbage discussion fodder

My solution for dealing with being a shit fan was embracing being a casual, and my solution for dealing with shitty fans was visiting this place sporadically

The discussion of GOATs within a single division is barely even a coherent thing, the concept of GOATs of all of MMA is worthless. P4P only means something when a manlet is extremely dominant. But to create constantly-updated p4p rankings is literally PSEUDOSCIENCE
 
Why do people need an answer to goat so urgently and desperately? It’s a need for closure and order in their head. In all sports there will be super athletes who rise above the average pro and there will always be different ways to compare them and there will not be a general consensus. That being said, Ngannou is goat. His latest run has been the most impressive, knocking out champion after champion in miocic, cain, Dos Santos… a lot of purists hate the one-facet style of ngannou, he is a tank amongst ferraris, when the bell rings the striker is favoured and he rushes you and swings like a mad man and your jiujitsu is useless.
 
Why do people need an answer to goat so urgently and desperately? It’s a need for closure and order in their head. In all sports there will be super athletes who rise above the average pro and there will always be different ways to compare them and there will not be a general consensus. That being said, Ngannou is goat. His latest run has been the most impressive, knocking out champion after champion in miocic, cain, Dos Santos… a lot of purists hate the one-facet style of ngannou, he is a tank amongst ferraris, when the bell rings the striker is favoured and he rushes you and swings like a mad man and your jiujitsu is useless.
Because people dont like it when things arent easily and clearly answered. So they try to steer things to their preferred version of reality.
 
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