Giorgio Petrosyan

rob 234 said:
then i will go back to my original comment ,, he has never held or defended a major championship belt ,,,,,
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Because they never existed. K-1 belts were all tournament belts. In essence he defended his by yet again winning the tournament the following year, and again by winning the Glory tournament after that. It's Showtime was the only legit promotion to have titles and Glory eventually adopted that format to an extent.
 
DastardlyMass said:
I just think it is hilarious that people like your self try to claim these guys are not muaythai fighters when they even enter the ring wearing a mongkol.
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Tenshin borrowed that mongkol from someone else as he doesn't even own one, and that was to enter the ring for a Muay Thai fight.

You're telling me that what you're wearing defines your background more so than your training background and fight experience. Makes sense.

Then I guess Sagmongkol is a Karateka from a Karate background.

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Tayski said:
For example I bet you don't consider Ky Hollenbeck a MT fighter because he's not top level or Thai or with many years of stadium fighting, while you try to claim Tenshin as a Muay Thai fighter.
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If he started out in muay thai, yes then he was a muay thai fighter. Even Ristie started out fighting in muay thai rules and considers himself a muay thai fighter. By definition they were muay thai fighters, but not authentic nak muay. Jordan Watson is more of a nak muay thai ristie is even if he is probably less of a fighter.
 
Tayski said:
Tenshin borrowed that mongkol from someone else as he doesn't even own one, and that was to enter the ring for a Muay Thai fight.

You're telling me that what you're wearing defines your background more so than your training background and fight experience. Makes sense.

Then I guess Sagmongkol is a Karateka from a Karate background.

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that is a karate tournament where you are forced to wear a gi to compete. There are thais in thailand who do not even wear mongkol or prajaids as they are not required to be worn in order to compete in muaythai and is your choice.

You do not see any thais wearing a gi when they fight k1 rules so while the hell are japanese karate fighters wearing mongkol and prajaids when they fight muaythai? It is even crazier because some of you claim that knockout is japanese kickboxing and not even muaythai
 
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Kanka said:
If he started out in muay thai, yes then he was a muay thai fighter. Even Ristie started out fighting in muay thai rules and considers himself a muay thai fighter. By definition they were muay thai fighters, but not authentic nak muay. Jordan Watson is more of a nak muay thai ristie is even if he is probably less of a fighter.
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I agree with you entirely. Tenshin didn't start out in Muay Thai and isn't a Muay Thai fighter though, even though DastardlyMass says that.
 
DastardlyMass said:
that is a karate tournament where you are forced to wear a gi to compete. There are thais in thailand who do not even wear mongkol or prajaids as they are not required to be worn in order to compete in muaythai and is your choice.

You do not see any thais wearing a gi when they fight k1 rules so while the hell are japanese karate fighters wearing mongkol and prajaids when they fight muaythai?
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No one is wearing a gi when fighting in K-1 rules not even Karateka's. Some of them do wear one when walking to the ring but some others don't. Davit Kiria doesn't wear a gi walking to the ring, neither did Sam Greco.

I'm from a Karate background and I would most probably wear the traditional Thai stuff if fighting a full Thai rules fight. That wouldn't automatically make me a Muay Thai fighter from a Muay Thai background.
 
Tayski said:
I agree with you entirely. Tenshin didn't start out in Muay Thai and isn't a Muay Thai fighter though, even though DastardlyMass says that.
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I don't know anything about him really so can't comment on that.

I wouldn't put so much weight on trying to define every non thai fighter though. There are so many variables like how many fights one has had in different rulesets, his style of fighting, his trainers, history, fighting philosophy background, identity etc. In many ways the japanese kickboxers are probably closer to nak muay than many guys in lion fight or fights in europe that don't use elbows or have inconsistent scoring.

If promotion A in japan considers themselves muay thai and promotion B considers themselves Japanese kickboxing, but in practise the fights are ruled and scored the same, why would it matter so much?
 
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Tenshin might not be a muaythai fighter. I haven not spent extensive time studying his career. Just about every article i have read about him states he has an extensive amateur muaythai career and the third pic i found of him is him wearing all thai stuff when kareav stated knockout was his first fight under anything similar to thai rules
 
Kanka said:
I don't know anything about him really so can't comment on that.

I wouldn't put so much weight on trying to define every non thai fighter though. There are so many variables like how many fights one has had in different rulesets, his style of fighting, his trainers, history, fighting philosophy background, identity etc. In many ways the japanese kickboxers are probably closer to nak muay than many guys in lion fight or fights in europe that don't use elbows or have inconsistent scoring.

If promotion A in japan considers themselves muay thai and promotion B considers themselves Japanese kickboxing, but in practise the fights are ruled and scored the same, why would it matter so much?
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Again I don't disagree. However some other people have double standards whenever it suits them on this forum.
 
DastardlyMass said:
Tenshin might not be a muaythai fighter. I haven not spent extensive time studying his career. Just about every article i have read about him states he has an extensive amateur muaythai career and the third pic i found of him is him wearing all thai stuff when kareav stated knockout was his first fight under anything similar to thai rules
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I told you that he had 3-4 fights in muay thai leagues as an amateur including specifying which promotion that picture was taken in. Hell, I gave you the blog where you got that image from that said that was his pro muay thai debut.

I have given up trying to convince you of anything, but don't straight up lie about what I said.
 
Arguing with DastardlyMess is a lose lose situation. Even when proven wrong he'll still stuck with his side of the arguement or twist it into a different one without conceeding. Just walk away...
 
considered who he has fought and who he has outclassed and dude barely gets hit. no one ever has fought like petro in his prime. Yes he is the GOAT.
 
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Does every thread really have to devolve to this MT/kickboxing bullshit? Come on, guys...
 
DastardlyMass said:
lol i moved it to the new forum jackass. Your butt buddy kareavfan is the one who came in here 3 days after the thread died and the conversation moved not me
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You do realize you can just block people? I think it would be best for both of us if we just do so mutually.

Kanka said:
I wouldn't put so much weight on trying to define every non thai fighter though. There are so many variables like how many fights one has had in different rulesets, his style of fighting, his trainers, history, fighting philosophy background, identity etc. In many ways the japanese kickboxers are probably closer to nak muay than many guys in lion fight or fights in europe that don't use elbows or have inconsistent scoring.
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The very odd thing is that not all Japanese kickboxers consider themselves to be doing "Japanese kickboxing". For example, the vast majority of newer generation (Takeru, Urabe brothers) are rather considered to be "K-1 fighters" (i.e. no elbow, limited clinch) and historically have been looked down upon by pureline "Japanese kickboxers" (e.g. Sato Yoshihiro, Ishii Hiroki). Its stupid, since the "Japanese kickboxers" are actually what foreign fighters would more closely associate with muay thai and K-1 fighters with "kickboxing".

It is a trivial issue though and completely irrelevant outside of Japan.
 
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