Opinion Gillette commercial vs. yellow vest protest threads

[VivaRevolution]

I have seen quite a few comments on how absurd the level of interest and posts in the Gillette commercial thread is, and the lack of posts after 11 weeks in the yellow vest protests thread.

I would like to discuss why that is.

It is actually a very deep and layered conversation.

From culture, to media, to psycology, plenty of avenues to explore here.

The first part of this I will posit a theory on, is the psycology of why this is. There is a argument to be made on both sides of the Gillette commercial controversy. I would certainly think gang rapes count as a very specific form of toxic masculinity. So arguing this doesn't exist is kind of absurd. Yet, when you use the ambiguous langauge of masculinity, you open yourself to the legit criticism that you are painting with too broad a brush.

People argued over this in circles for over a 1,000 posts.

This is part of the reason why the Gillette thread generated so much activity.

Conversely, the yellow vest protests have nothing to debate. 90% of us support peaceful protest, which is what 99% of the protests have been in France. Only when the protests turn violent is their any controversy to sell. Only then is their a legit argument to be had about whether the anger is justified, and does it warrant violence.

The second large part of this equation is media saturation. I don't know about you guys, but I conduct no polling myself, I don't have access to direct conversations with subject matter expert, I don't research who experts are, and have access to those people because I work for CNN, or Fox. Hence my opinions, are really just a regurgitation of other people's ideas. I can put some positive spin on it, and say my opinions are a mosaic of information I have collected to form my own opinion, but that mosaic is still made up of other people's ideas.

We all have to be told what to think, and this is where media saturation drives the level of public discourse.

This is the main driver of why 11 weeks of yellow vest protests gets the same traffic in a thread, as 2 days of a silly Gillette commercial.

Discuss........

 

[JDragon]

I am not interested in either tbh. The yellow vests are a bunch of rowdys with no coherent agenda (yes, @Rvd Slmr , I know my opinion may be misinformed here, but that's how they come across to me). And the Gilette thing, well, at worst it's a bad marketing decision that will hurt their bottom line.

 

[luckyshot]

Part of it is locality, too. Most posters are American or Canadian. Few are French. I’m willing to be that if the yellow vest protests were going on here, there’d be more interest.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Part of it is locality, too. Most posters are American or Canadian. Few are French. I’m willing to be that if the yellow vest protests were going on here, there’d be more interest.

That maybe soon to come. Hard to imagine that if the yellow vest protests spread all throughout Europe, which is possible, that the Atlantic Ocean would contain it.

 

[Scheme]

One is covered by western media, the other isn't.

Most of the stuff I've seen on the yellow vests comes from RT

 

[VivaRevolution]

I am not interested in either tbh. The yellow vests are a bunch of rowdys with no coherent agenda (yes, @Rvd Slmr , I know my opinion may be misinformed here, but that's how they come across to me). And the Gilette thing, well, at worst it's a bad marketing decision that will hurt their bottom line.

What if the agenda is letting the French government know, that the actions they are taking, are not supported by the populace, and hence the government's legitimacy is being called into question.

 

[HereticBD]

France. That's why.

 

[ultramanhyata]

I have seen quite a few comments on how absurd the level of interest and posts in the Gillette commercial thread is, and the lack of posts after 11 weeks in the yellow vest protests thread.

I would like to discuss why that is.

It is actually a very deep and layered conversation.

From culture, to media, to psycology, plenty of avenues to explore here.

The first part of this I will posit a theory on, is the psycology of why this is. There is a argument to be made on both sides of the Gillette commercial controversy. I would certainly think gang rapes count as a very specific form of toxic masculinity. So arguing this doesn't exist is kind of absurd. Yet, when you use the ambiguous langauge of masculinity, you open yourself to the legit criticism that you are painting with too broad a brush.

People argued over this in circles for over a 1,000 posts.

This is part of the reason why the Gillette thread generated so much activity.

Conversely, the yellow vest protests have nothing to debate. 90% of us support peaceful protest, which is what 99% of the protests have been in France. Only when the protests turn violent is their any controversy to sell. Only then is their a legit argument to be had about whether the anger is justified, and does it warrant violence.

The second large part of this equation is media saturation. I don't know about you guys, but I conduct no polling myself, I don't have access to direct conversations with subject matter expert, I don't research who experts are, and have access to those people because I work for CNN, or Fox. Hence my opinions, are really just a regurgitation of other people's ideas. I can put some positive spin on it, and say my opinions are a mosaic of information I have collected to form my own opinion, but that mosaic is still made up of other people's ideas.

We all have to be told what to think, and this is where media saturation drives the level of public discourse.

This is the main driver of why 11 weeks of yellow vest protests gets the same traffic in a thread, as 2 days of a silly Gillette commercial.

Discuss........

Why are you trying to compare responses to an actual political movement with responses to a TV commercial? This seems entirely random.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Why are you trying to compare responses to an actual political movement with responses to a TV commercial? This seems entirely random.

Because one matters, and the other doesn't, and yet if measured by the volume of responses, you would think the Gillette commercial actually mattered. As if Gillette was the 5th largest economy in the world, under threat of political revolution.

 

[Happy Man]

The MSM cabal around the world is intentionally ignoring it. They are all owned by people who wish that the protests would go away.

People like to think that they are actually free, and protests like this prove that they really aren't. To make a difference, it looks like violence must be used. Look at past French revolutions, the American revolution, and hell even the Ukrainian revolution.

Also the issue of migration makes some people uncomfortable.

But remember that the French are using literal bombs against their own people.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Because one matters, and the other doesn't, and yet if measured by the volume of responses, you would think the Gillette commercial actually mattered. As if Gillette was the 5th largest economy in the world, under threat of political revolution.

Maybe the people triggered by what they perceive to be the agenda of the Gillette ad are not as triggered by the agenda of the YV's. Anger and outrage are huge motivators in the human psyche.

This would only be something close to an apples to apples comparison if the YV's were protesting "toxic masculinity" or had some type of pro-feminist agenda.

Instead, this is a grass roots economic protest versus a cultural commentary by an ad agency. Again, your comparison is random and makes no sense.

 

[7437]

France. That's why.

That's it. No deeper meaning.

 

[Scheme]

The MSM cabal around the world is intentionally ignoring it. They are all owned by people who wish that the protests would go away.

People like to think that they are actually free, and protests like this prove that they really aren't. To make a difference, it looks like violence must be used. Look at past French revolutions, the American revolution, and hell even the Ukrainian revolution.

Also the issue of migration makes some people uncomfortable.

But remember that the French are using literal bombs against their own people.

This is why Americans have guns. Even an 'enlightened' and 'progressive' country like France is using fascist tactics against their own people. And they can get away with it because they have nothing to fear.

 

[MicroBrew]

I have seen quite a few comments on how absurd the level of interest and posts in the Gillette commercial thread is, and the lack of posts after 11 weeks in the yellow vest protests thread.

I would like to discuss why that is.

It is actually a very deep and layered conversation.

From culture, to media, to psycology, plenty of avenues to explore here.

The first part of this I will posit a theory on, is the psycology of why this is. There is a argument to be made on both sides of the Gillette commercial controversy. I would certainly think gang rapes count as a very specific form of toxic masculinity. So arguing this doesn't exist is kind of absurd. Yet, when you use the ambiguous langauge of masculinity, you open yourself to the legit criticism that you are painting with too broad a brush.

People argued over this in circles for over a 1,000 posts.

This is part of the reason why the Gillette thread generated so much activity.

Conversely, the yellow vest protests have nothing to debate. 90% of us support peaceful protest, which is what 99% of the protests have been in France. Only when the protests turn violent is their any controversy to sell. Only then is their a legit argument to be had about whether the anger is justified, and does it warrant violence.

The second large part of this equation is media saturation. I don't know about you guys, but I conduct no polling myself, I don't have access to direct conversations with subject matter expert, I don't research who experts are, and have access to those people because I work for CNN, or Fox. Hence my opinions, are really just a regurgitation of other people's ideas. I can put some positive spin on it, and say my opinions are a mosaic of information I have collected to form my own opinion, but that mosaic is still made up of other people's ideas.

We all have to be told what to think, and this is where media saturation drives the level of public discourse.

This is the main driver of why 11 weeks of yellow vest protests gets the same traffic in a thread, as 2 days of a silly Gillette commercial.

Discuss........

Here's why I think the Yellow Vest are not garnering due attention here in America:
1) America typically don't care about stuff that happens overseas past the initial Breaking News, especially complex political situations.
2) Our Media do a poor job of informing people of stuff that happens overseas, and some of this is by design.
3) The Yellow Vest protest is a populist uprising, so the mainstream media will not give them much attention. They threaten the French establishment so our media is not going to give them attention.

 

[milliniar]

That maybe soon to come. Hard to imagine that if the yellow vest protests spread all throughout Europe, which is possible, that the Atlantic Ocean would contain it.

There have been yellow vest protests in Canada, except it isn't the same as France.
Smaller scale and different politics.

 

[Happy Man]

There have been yellow vest protests in Canada, except it isn't the same as France.
Smaller scale and different politics.

There have been some in Belgium as well. In front of the EU itself. The heart of darkness

 

[Amerikuracana]

That maybe soon to come. Hard to imagine that if the yellow vest protests spread all throughout Europe, which is possible, that the Atlantic Ocean would contain it.

Immigration is a factor. Americans are for a secure border, but we also know that America, although founded by Europeans, respectively, is more of a melting pot. The space in Europe is very limited. Those peoples homeland is small. The way they are importing people to collect benefits and raise crime is highly offensive.. Might be palatable out of "niceness(?)" If they didn't have to tax the native working class. It's really all so obviously offensive on multiple levels it's amazing it's gone this far. I'll tell the media, if they keep their one-sided immature globalist/anti-nationalist stance against the West, the very men the week to weaken and even take power away from in their own homes may string them up. Tread carefully.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

Because one matters, and the other doesn't, and yet if measured by the volume of responses, you would think the Gillette commercial actually mattered. As if Gillette was the 5th largest economy in the world, under threat of political revolution.

Both matter, but I don’t care that a bunch of socialists voted for a socialist and got socialist outcomes and don’t like it. Not my problem.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Both matter, but I don’t care that a bunch of socialists voted for a socialist and got socialist outcomes and don’t like it. Not my problem.

Man, when I hear the french talk, it sounds like they are talking about the US. It is one thing to pay high taxes, it is another to pay high taxes, watch taxes get cut for the rich, and at the same time be asked to accept austarity measures.

 

[MicroBrew]

Hot off the press, Associated Press article. The below blurb is pertinent to this thread. Part of the reason why the US media is not too keen to highlight the French Yellow Vest movement.

A year after getting a standing ovation from the elites at Davos, French President Emmanuel Macron is sinking in the polls as he contends with "yellow vest" protesters who have taken to the streets to call for higher wages and fairer pensions. Nationalist political movements are gaining strength across Europe.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/facing-populist-assault-global-elites-090548669.html