Gilbert is the single most dangerous WW for Khamzat

[electricfuneral]

Gilbert will be at a big size disadvantage but I will still root for him

 

[Dionysian]

not exactly.
Leon & Colby would be good test since they have great wrestling.
Luque is as dangerous as Burns IMO and you still have Belal.

Khamzat is ranked 11. He shouldn't expect a title shot with one fight within the top 5.
If anything, this is a no-win fight for Burns, since he would be beating a guy outside the top 10, which is supposed to be expected that he wins and also supposed to award him less points than beating someone within the top 10..

If Leon and Colby get outwrestled then everyone says "their BJJ sucks, that is the only reason why Khamzat won". It'll be the BS Gaethje narrative all over again.

Luque and Belal clearly aren't as good as Gilbert on the ground.

It isn't a no-win fight for Gilbert. It is a "this guy is an animal and has massive balls" fight for Gilbert. Deservedly so.

If Khamzat beats Gilbert (or even finishes him) he should absolutely get the next title shot.

This is the fight I want to see the most for Khamzat. Burns is comfortable standing and striking due to his high level grappling. I also want to see how burns reacts when he's on his back, or dare I say how khamzat reacts IF he gets taken down or baited into a scramble against burns. so many scenarios could play out if we get this fight.

one can dream

I've wanted this fight for awhile now. It is more compelling than vs Usman honestly. Certainly more dangerous stylistically.

Khamzat is like 5 inches taller with a huge reach advantage. I think in regards to skill, yeah, burns is a tough match up, but khamzat's size advantage will likely be too much.

I was hoping for khamzat vs Luque.

I've seen a bunch of people say that. I disagree because:

1. The avenue to victory is much harder for Khamzat vs Gilbert since Gilbert can negate his biggest strength
2. Gilbert is ranked #3, higher than Luque at #5.
3. Beating Luque just feeds the bullshit "oh they're just feeding him guys who aren't top level grapplers" narrative. No thanks.

Nope Usman is. Burns I could see getting Ragdolled.

He doesn't get ragdolled though. There is a reason Usman wanted nothing to do with him on the ground.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Bjj be neck beard wrestling. I love this style matchup

was afraid ufc would give Khamzat a high ranked weak grappler but nope. We get a great fight

 

[MeatWagon06]

Durinho strangles Khumzhot with ease.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Gilbert's big issue is that his takedowns are pretty average. His bjj is great but his wrestling needs lots of work

 

[Shaddows]

If Leon and Colby get outwrestled then everyone says "their BJJ sucks, that is the only reason why Khamzat won". It'll be the BS Gaethje narrative all over again.

Luque and Belal clearly aren't as good as Gilbert on the ground.

It isn't a no-win fight for Gilbert. It is a "this guy is an animal and has massive balls" fight for Gilbert. Deservedly so.

If Khamzat beats Gilbert (or even finishes him) he should absolutely get the next title shot.

By points:
1) "Leon and Colby get outwrestled" - No one will make less of Khamzat if he can outwrestle great wrestlers. It will be an accomplishment within itself!!!
And what narrative for Gaethje? He's not even in the same WC..... Sorry, I just completely missed what you tried to claim here...

2) Luque is a black belt in BJJ and Luta Livre. dismissing him or Belal just so they are less threat than what they are is dishonest at best.

3) Taking this fight gives him NOTHING. And he has everything to lose by fighting a guy outside the top 10. That's why he has massive balls to take the fight.

IMO you are dismissing too many top fighters as nothing. I quite disagree with you.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

I respect Burns ground game but I dont think it negates Khams wrestling at all, especially with the size difference in cage.

 

[textwarrior]

Stylistically speaking Gilbert is much more of a threat than Kamaru IMO. Obviously Kamaru wanted nothing to do with Gilbert on the ground when they fought, while Gilbert is roughly comparable to Kamaru on the feet. Their defense is pretty comparable (IMO) but I think Gilbert has heavier hands, minus of course Kamaru's recent finishes which are great (including the one against Gilbert).

Anyway, my point is Khamzat is accepting the single most dangerous fight (by far IMO) for his style in all of WW. Gilbert is the only fighter in the entire division who can take away his greatest strength (his top game) and is one of the few fighters that has the power to end it at any given moment standing.

If Khamzat wins this, I don't see any potential roadblocks at WW. Crazy cajones to chase the most dangerous fight as well... I said the same when Khamzat was chasing a Maia fight when he first joined the UFC.

Do you agree?

I see Usman and Burns as problems but I think Colby will not match well.

 

[King in the North]

Burns is good but you’re getting carried away. He was starched by Usman (minus one overhand). He will be starched by Khamzat.

 

[capnlarge]

By points:
1) "Leon and Colby get outwrestled" - No one will make less of Khamzat if he can outwrestle great wrestlers. It will be an accomplishment within itself!!!
And what narrative for Gaethje? He's not even in the same WC..... Sorry, I just completely missed what you tried to claim here...

2) Luque is a black belt in BJJ and Luta Livre. dismissing him or Belal just so they are less threat than what they are is dishonest at best.

3) Taking this fight gives him NOTHING. And he has everything to lose by fighting a guy outside the top 10. That's why he has massive balls to take the fight.

IMO you are dismissing too many top fighters as nothing. I quite disagree with you.

LOL at thinking rankings matter. Khamzat is probably the biggest fight at WW other than Usman or McGregor. This is a PPV co-main event or TV main event

 

[Luckyme]

Stylistically speaking Gilbert is much more of a threat than Kamaru IMO. Obviously Kamaru wanted nothing to do with Gilbert on the ground when they fought, while Gilbert is roughly comparable to Kamaru on the feet. Their defense is pretty comparable (IMO) but I think Gilbert has heavier hands, minus of course Kamaru's recent finishes which are great (including the one against Gilbert).

Anyway, my point is Khamzat is accepting the single most dangerous fight (by far IMO) for his style in all of WW. Gilbert is the only fighter in the entire division who can take away his greatest strength (his top game) and is one of the few fighters that has the power to end it at any given moment standing.

If Khamzat wins this, I don't see any potential roadblocks at WW. Crazy cajones to chase the most dangerous fight as well... I said the same when Khamzat was chasing a Maia fight when he first joined the UFC.

Do you agree?

Disagree. I’m a fan of Burns but the Usman fight showed how a potential Khamzat fight would go down. Burns was ill-equipped to deal with a wrestler with heavy hands. Khamzat, who is bigger than Usman and has serious KO power, would do worse to Burns. I mean we’re talking about a former LW vs. a guy that rag dolls MWs.

 

[Reffson]

Why isn't this fight front-page news on Sherdog? I hope it's happening.

 

[SakurabasEar]

I think burns would be competitive grappling wise. But his chin has been a problem for awhile. I don't like the odds of him not getting cracked by the bigger khamzat at some point. Especially when you consider that he isn't worried about burns taking him down

 

[Shaddows]

LOL at thinking rankings matter. Khamzat is probably the biggest fight at WW other than Usman or McGregor. This is a PPV co-main event or TV main event

that's an asinine comment by someone who is obviously a Khamzat fanboy.
You are forgiven (since I know where you are coming from), but it does not mean it is beyond hypocrite to make such claim.

Regardless of your thoughts of how good he is, he is ranked #11. That is a fact.
If you trust your hero, then you should trust he can climb through the rankings properly.

Claiming "it is the biggest fight" is a retarded argument, since this is not a popularity contest, but a proper sport, with proper rankings (or supposed to be, if fans like you were not such hypocrites).

 

[TJ177]

I think Khamzat is overrated and would have been tested a lot more by a Belal type grinder who fights super safely.

Gilbert's gotten KO'd at 155 and his best wins are against faded versions of Woodley (lol), Wonderboy and Maia.

This seems like the matchmaking they wanted to get Khamzat in the title picture.

 

[r-harper-1]

Burns is one of the most dangerous…but it’s a LW moving up to ww against a mw moving down to ww …..not saying that’s always a factor, but it is here imo

 

[Dionysian]

By points:
1) "Leon and Colby get outwrestled" - No one will make less of Khamzat if he can outwrestle great wrestlers. It will be an accomplishment within itself!!!
And what narrative for Gaethje? He's not even in the same WC..... Sorry, I just completely missed what you tried to claim here...

2) Luque is a black belt in BJJ and Luta Livre. dismissing him or Belal just so they are less threat than what they are is dishonest at best.

3) Taking this fight gives him NOTHING. And he has everything to lose by fighting a guy outside the top 10. That's why he has massive balls to take the fight.

IMO you are dismissing too many top fighters as nothing. I quite disagree with you.

1. By "Gaethje" narrative I meant the Khabib vs Gaethje narrative. As in "wow Gaethje has the worst BJJ in the universe, so that's why that happened" narrative. Like I said, it is bullshit, but it is there.

2. I didn't dismiss them. I just said Gilbert has better BJJ. Do you disagree?

3. Real fans understand the balls it takes / will give him the respect he deserves for that.

I think you're misreading me. I'm not dismissing top fighters. I'm saying asshole fans will dismiss other top fighters. I don't think anyone on Earth would have the audacity to dismiss the weight of Khamzat potentially beating Gilbert. Huge stylistic threat with his elite ground game, straight up.

 

[dominion]

More often than not, great jits gets neutralized by strong wrestling.

 

[Shaddows]

1. By "Gaethje" narrative I meant the Khabib vs Gaethje narrative. As in "wow Gaethje has the worst BJJ in the universe, so that's why that happened" narrative. Like I said, it is bullshit, but it is there.

2. I didn't dismiss them. I just said Gilbert has better BJJ. Do you disagree?

3. Real fans understand the balls it takes / will give him the respect he deserves for that.

I think you're misreading me. I'm not dismissing top fighters. I'm saying asshole fans will dismiss other top fighters. I don't think anyone on Earth would have the audacity to dismiss the weight of Khamzat potentially beating Gilbert. Huge stylistic threat with his elite ground game, straight up.

mea culpa, brother. I completely misread you and apologize.

yes, dishonest fans will always find ways to demean/dismiss other fighters. But you have to see past that.
Don't let haters rile you up!!

 

[rjmbrd]

Khamzat is like 5 inches taller with a huge reach advantage. I think in regards to skill, yeah, burns is a tough match up, but khamzat's size advantage will likely be too much.

I was hoping for khamzat vs Luque.

Khamzat is absolutely huge for the division. The guy is an enormous welterweight.

Gilbert is on the smaller side by any definition, despite clearly being world class. It seems odd to me so many folks aren't admitting that type of size gap when both opponents are elite is unreasonable.

I honestly think Khamzat is headed for middleweight eventually. That cut must be ridiculous.