Gilbert is the single most dangerous WW for Khamzat

[Shaddows]

There's no goalposts buddy, there is a thread topic which you can't seem to stick to.

Khamzat is booked to fight #2.

If he wins he will likely be fighting for the title next. (Likely after Leon, as previously noted)

This is reality and it has nothing to do with whatever you want to project on to me based on your off topic assumptions.

Sorry, kid. but that's bullshit and we both know it.
You were very happy to discuss everything around it until you run out of arguments, then you run and hid.
It's fine though. As I noted before, you are pretty dishonest about the situation, and it is pretty clear you run out of excuses to discredit other top contenders.

That's a pathetic way to end a good conversation, but alas, as I noted, everyone is a little guilty of being a fanboy sometimes... here's the time for you.
I'll see you around, when you are not so emotionally invested.

 

[jeff7b9]

Sorry, kid. but that's bullshit and we both know it.
You were very happy to discuss everything around it until you run out of arguments, then you run and hid.
It's fine though. As I noted before, you are pretty dishonest about the situation, and it is pretty clear you run out of excuses to discredit other top contenders.

That's a pathetic way to end a good conversation, but alas, as I noted, everyone is a little guilty of being a fanboy sometimes... here's the time for you.
I'll see you around, when you are not so emotionally invested.

The emotions are all on your side.

When you go calling people "kid" and making accusations of running, that is just you playing your hand that you are upset.

You are upset that Khamzat is on a path to the title, but should he continue to win, that is the reality.


Go back and review the conversation.
You brought other fighters up, not me.

I have remained on the topic throughout. Khamzat vs Burns and the implications of that fight.

As I stated from the beginning, I just want to see interesting fights. And the most interesting fight at WW is Khamzat vs Usman.

If Khamzat doesn't pass the test vs Burns then that fight isn't happening, so thankfully we get an answer soon (fingers crossed) as to how good Khamzat is.

Up until now there has been a lot of speculation, he has beaten his UFC opponents almost entirely untouched.

You for some reason feel the need to imagine me to be a Khamzat fanboy. That is in your head though. I merely want to see how good he is.

For some reason certain fans get really insecure about new talent, and feel the need to try to put roadblocks up for fighters who present the possibility of greatness. I don't see it that way.

If Khamzat wants the smoke, and his words and actions indicate he does, and the fans want to see it, then let's see it.

And you still haven't been able to give an example of anyone more qualified for a next title shot then Khamzat should he win.

We will see how it plays out. Big test coming up 4/9. Much respect to Burns for taking the fight.

 

[Reffson]

Running away?

This is a pretty strange interaction which feels like there are 2 conversations.

1) the words we are saying
2) everything you are imagining in your head, which you then send replies based on.

I feel like I am getting in an argument with my wife over something I did in her dream.

Let's back this up, shall we?

Thread premise:
Burns is Khamzat's toughest matchup


At this point I don't even remember what initially got your panties in a bunch, but I will assume based on your recent replies has to do with me mentioning Khamzat in title contention.

Ok. Well he is facing #2 in his next fight (the topic of this thread).

This is confirmed according to multiple sources. (See attached pics)

So... At the risk of stating the painfully obvious, should Khamzat win, he will have a win over #2 in the division.

Still with me?

Now I already said I am fine with Leon getting next shot, if that isn't booked already.

Then after the Usman vs Leon REMATCH, someone has to fight the champ... right?

So if you feel someone is more qualified than Khamzat with a win over Burns, please state your explanation as to who and why.


Otherwise, I really don't even know what the fuck you are even talking about, aside from making assumptions then getting mad about them.


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Still not confirmed though. I hope it happens.

 

[jeff7b9]

Still not confirmed though. I hope it happens.

A bunch of sites are saying it is is agreed. BJ Penn com, low kick MMA, MacLife, middle easy ...
And they are saying April 9th which implies it is linked to a specific event, so I take that to be more than just a Twitter agreement.

That would be super disappointing if they are jumping the gun and clickbaiting. I want to see this fight.

 

[Vigfree]

again, kid.
Rankings SHOULD matter.
It only does not because the UFC is a greedy bunch, and fans like you, that allows them to disregard rankings just because you are a hypocrite and have a vested interest in Getting Khamzat a title shot.

If you had a brain, you'd see that I am right. And this is not just about Khamzat, but Islam, Conor or anyone else that is jumping the line because their fans like him/her.
This does NOT benefit the sport, and every time it happens, it just reinforce this narrative that rankings doesn't matter.

Why bring Islam in to this?
Islam is on a bajillion fight win streak - ok ONLY 9 - and still isn't going to fight for the title next fight.
He wins next fight then 10 fight win streak and MAYBE he gets the title shot next if Conor doesn't fuck him over.
No comparison here... Conor won the title after 5 wins. Khamzat is getting Burns after 4.
I actually think 10 fight win streak without a title shot might be the UFC record. Does someone know?

What's worse is all the dipshit comments I read on here regarding Islam as if it is his fault. Clearly the guy wants to fight up. The UFC just kept feeding him unranked guys and obviously nobody ranked wanted that smoke. What he's done is impressive and it's annoying to read all the comments on here by people who want to dismiss him. IMO him and Charles are the 2 best LWs, and hopefully we get to watch them fight for the title soon.

 

[rjmbrd]

Ironic that you tell me about "bro", and then proceed to deliver a textbook sherbro eye test. I used to read so many of those back in the day with the "Okami is a huuuuge MW" myth (you were among them, am I mistaken?)...it turned out that he wasnt even among biggest weight cutters at WW.

Khamzat has a large frame (pretty narrow shoulders though) that he could bulk up and be a good sized MW. But right now, it's not the case, and divisions are separated by weight, not frame/height/reach or any other feature that impresses you the most.

Khamzat walks around at 195-200lbs. He still loses weight to compete at WW. Then makes a cut to 170 which is a big weight cut but nothing extraordinary. He is not setting records of weight cut in the division as Till was doing most recently, or missing weight in the attempt like Rumble or Hendricks back in the day

Yes, Chimaev is a big WW, but not so extraordinary by modern standards. We see them like him these days in UFC, Bellator or PFL. His ability is indeed extraordinary though

None of that was my opinion. These are not up for debate, they are facts:

- He's regularly fought at middleweight
- Khamzat is 6'2
- He has not fought in California or another jurisdiction where we have an official fight night weight

Point 3 above means you and anyone else claiming his actual weight are full of shit. We have no idea, its just conjecture.

If you are familiar with weight cutting, have cut weight for a combat sport, and have eyeballs - you can tell the former middleweight who is BONE DRY at 6'2" and still lean and muscled making 171lbs is doing a serious cut. This is frankly, common sense.

 

[MCS]

This all day. Burns can (quite easily) be argued to be the guy who came closest to finishing Kamaru in the UFC. That overhand dropped him while nothing Colby did dropped him. Yet Burns is getting disrespected HARD. Honestly it is shocking me.

Khamzat has made WW multiple times in the UFC. He's missed weight 0 times. Saying he "can't even make WW" is silly.

Yeah the "height class" obsession here is really damn annoying. I'm 5'10 and was a lean 195 in my prime. Controlled and bullied taller guys in my weight class like they were feathers. Obviously weight is what matters.

You are talking hypotheticals right? Not a real person at WW? If you are talking a real person at WW... who is that specific guy and do you think he's more dangerous than Gilbert?

It is the exact opposite. Khamzat bashers who said he loses to anyone ranked have already moved the goal posts and declared Gilbert a LW bum in order to discredit a potential Khamzat win. It is amazing really. I never thought I'd see it as soon as the fight was announced, yet here we are. I thought they'd all say "lol the hype train is about to crash" but the fact they are going out of their way to discredit Gilbert (the #3 ranked WW on planet fucking Earth lol, and the worst style-match up for Khamzat possible) shows they really are terrified of Khamzat's potential / hedging bets on him winning and discrediting Gilbert ahead of time.

If any WW on planet Earth can, it is Gilbert.

He isn't Maia, but he is much closer technically to Maia than anyone else at WW. (yes, talking solely off his back)



Your cardio angle might be a good take. Solely based on Gilbert vs Usman's stand-up however, I favor Gilbert being more dangerous because Gilbert has more stopping power and more survivability if Khamzat can land the TD. If Khamzat's cardio doesn't fail him and Usman can't finish him that's a long 25 minutes to hope Khamzat can't mount any fight-ending offense.

Yeah but those fights never happened... which is why this is so fun. It can help answer an unaddressed "what if" of sorts.


If Khamzat beats Burn and Kamaru retired before fighting Khamzat it would be a criminal disappointment. I think most fans would agree with that. Imagine all the stupid ass speculation threads we'd have to deal with for all the years after if it didn't happen...

But Usman can get up from the bottom. Bigger and stronger, better wrestler. Burns can get stuck on the bottom, GnP'd. Usman standing GnP'd him. That's what's gonna happen in the first round.

 

[Saiyok]

But Usman can get up from the bottom. Bigger and stronger, better wrestler. Burns can get stuck on the bottom, GnP'd. Usman standing GnP'd him. That's what's gonna happen in the first round.

Usman power bottom confirmed.

 

[Evangelion]

not exactly.
Leon & Colby would be good test since they have great wrestling.
Luque is as dangerous as Burns IMO and you still have Belal.

Khamzat is ranked 11. He shouldn't expect a title shot with one fight within the top 5.
If anything, this is a no-win fight for Burns, since he would be beating a guy outside the top 10, which is supposed to be expected that he wins and also supposed to award him less points than beating someone within the top 10..

Hes getting a title shot if he wins. The hype is massive and it lines up perfectly.

 

[Oz.Pride]

Melendez?

 

[First Day UFC Intern]

Stylistically speaking Gilbert is much more of a threat than Kamaru IMO. Obviously Kamaru wanted nothing to do with Gilbert on the ground when they fought, while Gilbert is roughly comparable to Kamaru on the feet. Their defense is pretty comparable (IMO) but I think Gilbert has heavier hands, minus of course Kamaru's recent finishes which are great (including the one against Gilbert).

Anyway, my point is Khamzat is accepting the single most dangerous fight (by far IMO) for his style in all of WW. Gilbert is the only fighter in the entire division who can take away his greatest strength (his top game) and is one of the few fighters that has the power to end it at any given moment standing.

If Khamzat wins this, I don't see any potential roadblocks at WW. Crazy cajones to chase the most dangerous fight as well... I said the same when Khamzat was chasing a Maia fight when he first joined the UFC.

Do you agree?

Based on from what I'd seen from Khamzat and based on Gustaffson's interview,

Khamzat's hands imo is way too fast

 

[randomg1t]

burns is dope but the toughest challenges for khamzat are going to be the wrestlers. as long as he's fighting people he can throw around, he'll be looking good.

but burns is a beast and i'll definitely be rooting for him.

 

[Shaddows]

Why bring Islam in to this?
Islam is on a bajillion fight win streak - ok ONLY 9 - and still isn't going to fight for the title next fight.
He wins next fight then 10 fight win streak and MAYBE he gets the title shot next if Conor doesn't fuck him over.
No comparison here... Conor won the title after 5 wins. Khamzat is getting Burns after 4.
I actually think 10 fight win streak without a title shot might be the UFC record. Does someone know?

What's worse is all the dipshit comments I read on here regarding Islam as if it is his fault. Clearly the guy wants to fight up. The UFC just kept feeding him unranked guys and obviously nobody ranked wanted that smoke. What he's done is impressive and it's annoying to read all the comments on here by people who want to dismiss him. IMO him and Charles are the 2 best LWs, and hopefully we get to watch them fight for the title soon.

Wait... hold on a sec.
I don't blame him at all!
I blame his fans who keep pushing for a blatantly undeserving title shot.
And like I said, it's not just him, but every fighter (male or female) that gets to jump everyone else.

You ask why I am bringing him?
Well, please tell me who did he fight within the top 10? (Not as a last minute replacement) that validates his current ranking?

And no, it is not a record. Leon is 9-0-1 and people wants Khamzat to jump the line and get a title shot over him...
And funny thing is, right behind Leon, is Vicente Luque, who is 10-1 and still Khamzat's fans wants him to jump over him as well...

As you can see, this is not just about a fighter, but a constant. Fans push fighters above others just because they like them, but they don't understand they contribute to the issue which is rankings being overlooked.

 

[Shaddows]

Hes getting a title shot if he wins. The hype is massive and it lines up perfectly.

unfortunately you are right... but what I don't like about it is exactly what you said: "the hype is massive"... THAT should NOT be the reason why...

 

[brakkkop]

maybe before the fight, after the fight burns is a bum who was never that good.

 

[dalegordon]

This all day. Burns can (quite easily) be argued to be the guy who came closest to finishing Kamaru in the UFC. That overhand dropped him while nothing Colby did dropped him. Yet Burns is getting disrespected HARD. Honestly it is shocking me.

Khamzat has made WW multiple times in the UFC. He's missed weight 0 times. Saying he "can't even make WW" is silly.

Yeah the "height class" obsession here is really damn annoying. I'm 5'10 and was a lean 195 in my prime. Controlled and bullied taller guys in my weight class like they were feathers. Obviously weight is what matters.

You are talking hypotheticals right? Not a real person at WW? If you are talking a real person at WW... who is that specific guy and do you think he's more dangerous than Gilbert?

It is the exact opposite. Khamzat bashers who said he loses to anyone ranked have already moved the goal posts and declared Gilbert a LW bum in order to discredit a potential Khamzat win. It is amazing really. I never thought I'd see it as soon as the fight was announced, yet here we are. I thought they'd all say "lol the hype train is about to crash" but the fact they are going out of their way to discredit Gilbert (the #3 ranked WW on planet fucking Earth lol, and the worst style-match up for Khamzat possible) shows they really are terrified of Khamzat's potential / hedging bets on him winning and discrediting Gilbert ahead of time.

If any WW on planet Earth can, it is Gilbert.

He isn't Maia, but he is much closer technically to Maia than anyone else at WW. (yes, talking solely off his back)



Your cardio angle might be a good take. Solely based on Gilbert vs Usman's stand-up however, I favor Gilbert being more dangerous because Gilbert has more stopping power and more survivability if Khamzat can land the TD. If Khamzat's cardio doesn't fail him and Usman can't finish him that's a long 25 minutes to hope Khamzat can't mount any fight-ending offense.

Yeah but those fights never happened... which is why this is so fun. It can help answer an unaddressed "what if" of sorts.


If Khamzat beats Burn and Kamaru retired before fighting Khamzat it would be a criminal disappointment. I think most fans would agree with that. Imagine all the stupid ass speculation threads we'd have to deal with for all the years after if it didn't happen...

Burns is dangerous. Luque, usman and Brady are just as bad match ups. Usman most so. I personally think khamzat wins the title.

 

[wolfss]

WRONG!!!!

 

[Natural Order]

I don't see it.

Luque and Usman are his two biggest stylistic challenges imo.

Burns is massively overrated on here imo. His resume is thin and his performances simply average.

 

[10000yearsold]

Ok. So who is more dangerous at WW... and WHY is that person more dangerous than Gilbert?

I'd venture, everybody ranked over him at least.

I've got Usman and Colby to the front of fronts. They're both big boys who are strong and resilient, difficult to stop, who can go strong 5 rounds.

The only suspect area I've read from Chimaev is from his last performance where he was clearly gasping a bit for air at the close of the fight. Maybe that's post-covid Chimaev. Maybe it's just the excitement.

At this point, Chimaev hasn't really accomplished a lot. He's just shut everyone out, which is super extraordinary. Everybody is an interesting challenge for him. My contention is simply that Burns is hardly the greatest of them.

Jiu Jitsu is great against people who haven't been training for years how to implement their skills with respect to Jiu Jitsu, but you don't really see guys getting Jiu Jitsu wrecked like the old days. When they're tired or beaten down, that's when you see the subs at this level. Burns isn't gonna run out there and slide tackle heel hook him successfully.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

Gilbert already had his title shot - he is now officially the gatekeeper and is doing his job - testing Khamzat and opening the gates to contendership. KC will definitely win this fight.