GGG vs. Canelo, Who Won?

[Strange King]

I think he made adjustments in tempo. I think it was at the 4th round he stepped on the gas and made Canelo really uncomfortable in those middle rounds. He was good about forcing the action when Saul wanted to break. But I agree, he doesn’t change up god tactics too much.

Ya his right was easy to see for canelo. He loaded up on it every time. Now even so not every boxer could dodge that right hand but for canelo it was pretty easy

 

[Strange King]

I might favor Canelo in a rematch. He seemed to learn a lot coming out of the Floyd fight and really buckled down on his defense. For his sake I hope he learns from this and comes back stronger. Golovkin just needs to fight off Father Time a bit longer.

I think i would too

 

[NotoriousMillions]

Nooooooo !
Don't do that otherwise boxing will die............again.

Trust me, I won't be the only that turns off the TV.

 

[NotoriousMillions]

go away, boxing does not need you. other then the 118 110 score, if you read the responses in these threads, it was 50/50 as to who everyone thought won which is a draw

Boxing needs anyone it can get at this point. lmao

If you can count, you'll see 80% of people thought Golovkin one, including practically everyone outside of the forum too.

Another great example of how boxing is practically unwatchable, even when there is a good fight.

 

[Hagler]

Boxing needs anyone it can get at this point. lmao

If you can count, you'll see 80% of people thought Golovkin one, including practically everyone outside of the forum too.

Another great example of how boxing is practically unwatchable, even when there is a good fight.

It's a great year in boxing. Even casuals know it.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

Ya his right was easy to see for canelo. He loaded up on it every time. Now even so not every boxer could dodge that right hand but for canelo it was pretty easy

Canelo also has great head movement but puts himself on the ropes and doesn't protect the body nearly as well as his defense upstairs, just makes no sense for a guy like GGG, who is one of the best body punchers in the sport when he commits, to almost completely ignore downstairs like he tends to do at times. That's what makes him GGG, he'll hit you anywhere, but when he doesn't even seem to have the bodyshots in mind, then you don't really have to worry about getting killed to the body, and therefore his offense is simpler and your defense is simpler as a result.

 

[HelpYouFall]

Boxing is dead talk in a 33 page discussion. Oh my :')

 

[Strange King]

Boxing is dead talk in a 33 page discussion. Oh my :')

Its been dead. We're watching the ghost of boxing right now

 

[nastyleft]

The main thing I come out of this fight with is, Golovkin has a very limited set of tools. The things he does, he does very well, and that's been all he's needed thus far. But at a certain point all he can do is pressure and keep throwing the same combos until he breaks a guy down. If Canelo hadn't conceded those mid rounds by trying to take breaks, GGG looked like he was out of ideas. All props to GGG, a true warrior, he's got the chin and the power and when he started to get outclassed, he stepped up his pressure and turned it into his his favor. Great fight.

 

[nastyleft]

Canelo also has great head movement but puts himself on the ropes and doesn't protect the body nearly as well as his defense upstairs, just makes no sense for a guy like GGG, who is one of the best body punchers in the sport when he commits, to almost completely ignore downstairs like he tends to do at times. That's what makes him GGG, he'll hit you anywhere, but when he doesn't even seem to have the bodyshots in mind, then you don't really have to worry about getting killed to the body, and therefore his offense is simpler and your defense is simpler as a result.

GGG was getting countered anytime he even so much as glanced to the body. He had to stay upstairs. Canelo is a pretty good body puncher as well.

 

[Shael]

OK. So I just re-watched the fight. Golovkin looked more in control than I thought originally. To cut to the chase I scored it 117-112 for GGG (I scored round 10 a 10-10. Maybe it's a cop-out but I saw both of them winning half the round). That said, I saw at least 3 potential swing rounds and a draw is a reasonable outcome.

118-110 is atrocious but I wish people wouldn't just dismiss it as "Boxing is crooked" and instead persecuted Byrd because she's really the root of this controversy. Whether she's corrupt or incompetent she needs to go.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

OK. So I just re-watched the fight. Golovkin looked more in control than I thought originally. To cut to the chase I scored it 117-112 for GGG (I scored round 10 a 10-10. Maybe it's a cop-out but I saw both of them winning half the round). That said, I saw at least 3 potential swing rounds and a draw is a reasonable outcome.

118-110 is atrocious but I wish people wouldn't just dismiss it as "Boxing is crooked" and instead persecuted Byrd because she's really the root of this controversy. Whether she's corrupt or incompetent she needs to go.

yup you and Shoe are on the nose with that card ruining what was really a great fight, imo. Two elite fighters going toe to toe and the only thing ppl want to do is bitch about how boxing is corrupt. If she had it 115-113 Canelo, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If there were 10 or 12rders in mma then you'd get just as bad scorecards. She's still a dumb and/or corrupt bitch, tho, and she'lll be on a desert isle with CJ Ross eating coconuts and each others old, gross, spiderweb infested gashes. Was that last line too graphic again? I tend to do that sometimes.

 

[stuff jones]

 

[ramair455]

There's a gaping hole in that article. They mention van hoys pay which comes from the promoter as if that was a bribe but they say nothing of the other 2 judges pay. Were they paid less? The article makes an issue of that one judges score but not the others. It would make for a stronger case if you could show some difference in the pay but my guess is there was none so they left it out as it would diminish the case. Is it a good thing that the judges pay comes from the promoter pickets? No. But to claim that as bribery is over the top. That writer needed to put more work into his article.

You make some valid points. But you cant ignore how judging can be and is compromised in the boxing world. Although the decision (Draw) could be viewed as the "right" decision. A judge scoring 118-112 is preposterous. You just don't see such insensible scoring by a judge in the UFC,.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

GGG was getting countered anytime he even so much as glanced to the body. He had to stay upstairs. Canelo is a pretty good body puncher as well.

GGG was getting countered going to the head with huge shots from Canelo anyway, and ate them pretty well. He should've taken more chances to the body, esp when Canelo was against the ropes.

 

[Shael]

yup you and Shoe are on the nose with that card ruining what was really a great fight, imo. Two elite fighters going toe to toe and the only thing ppl want to do is bitch about how boxing is corrupt. If she had it 115-113 Canelo, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If there were 10 or 12rders in mma then you'd get just as bad scorecards. She's still a dumb and/or corrupt bitch, tho, and she'lll be on a desert isle with CJ Ross eating coconuts and each others old, gross, spiderweb infested gashes. Was that last line too graphic again? I tend to do that sometimes.

It's crazy that judges aren't questioned about their scores yet we've seen referees get interviewed in the post-fight where they have to explain their call while watching a replay. Are they all not employees of the SAC?

 

[Cheese]

I rewatched it and still had the same score as last night. 7-5 GGG. I could see 8-4 for GGG even but I could find 6 rds to give to Saul to make it a draw. What i kept seeing was Saul putting on a "SHOW" and not really winning with it. IMO. Most rd in the second half he would come out and box for 1 min amd than start Showcasing his D and movement and gave away the rest of the rds. It looked good and was a smart play but he wasnt doing enough to win the rds to win. GGG was just outworking with the jabs. I dont count compubox but they looked even in the power shots with both guys landing good hard shots but inbetween the hards shots, GGG was scoring with the jabs. Someone said SRL/Hagler and on rewach I see it. Saul stealing rds with flashy Power shots while GGG was just grinding each rds.


Also something i notice is that neither guy wanted to stay on the inside long, it was a fight that was fought at mid range 90% of the time. Even when GGG got Saul to the ropes he couldnt hold him there but also didnt comeet 100 to trying either. He would stay 1 foot back to make sure he was able move quick and get back in range to keep the pressure on. So he was going in hard on the ropes or the middle of the ring. Saul for being a great body shooter was shoting 1 at time to the body and head and moving out instead of trying to phone booth GGG(which is smart) and GGG did the same thing( which i was surprised). Saul caught GGG and he step back to jabbing instead of leaning forward and grabbing to work on the inside. Niethe of them wanted to fight on the inside the whole fight. TOO much respect for each other.

Also Saul ate a CLEAN KO Shot GGG and stayed up and I was surprised at that. He shook his head and all that but his knees didnt buckle and he showed he has a real chin there. GGG did too bit we kinda knew that already. I really enjoyed the fight and think both guys showed EVERYTHING they have.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

First of all it was a great fight, a great battle with 2 great warriors. And I thought GGG won. I had it 7-4-1. It was said during the broadcast and I agree it was so much like Ray/Hagler in that Ray won most of the first half of the rounds, and Hagler came on very strong in the second half of the fight. GGG just kept plodding forward, unaffected by Canelo's punches. The 118-110 score is obviously corrupt, there was a similar score with Ray/Hagler too.. I can see Canelo winning the rematch though. Youth may play a bigger role in the 2nd fight.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

OK. So I just re-watched the fight. Golovkin looked more in control than I thought originally. To cut to the chase I scored it 117-112 for GGG (I scored round 10 a 10-10. Maybe it's a cop-out but I saw both of them winning half the round). That said, I saw at least 3 potential swing rounds and a draw is a reasonable outcome.

118-110 is atrocious but I wish people wouldn't just dismiss it as "Boxing is crooked" and instead persecuted Byrd because she's really the root of this controversy. Whether she's corrupt or incompetent she needs to go.

Boxing and MMA have bad judging in common. I think it is getting better in MMA actually. But in boxing you do have some of these judges that are historically bad. Been turning In wacky score cards since 1985. I remember anytime Jerry Roth was a judge watch out for a shitty and wacked score card.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Easy work for Golovkin as you can see from results.

That was a long way from easy work. That was a battle dude. He won IMO but Canelo fought bravely and very hard. He was the smaller man and the lesser puncher.